February 05, 2018 02:05PM
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JamesJM
although I get your point and see why you would say that.

For me it's more this: Average QB talent, shown talent, across all the teams and including a few years.. (no specific amount of years but I wouldn't really use 60's era football vs today).

And I mean QB's who are starters.

And in doing so there ARE, always, going to be QB's whom "you" would 'rank' as 2nd tier... in a way I wouldn't disagree, but for me there is never a year when that's not the case... and thus, they ARE starting caliber because there simply aren't enough top tier QB's to go around. I think that would hold true for every position.

Maybe semantics here.... somewhat, but I think, personal opinion, that it holds true that there are not 32 QB's better than Foles... even using 'caliber', whatever that might entail, as criteria. I can certainly name off 32 QB's in NFL history... one heck of a lot more than that would be my guess. But they ain't available today. - JamesJM

"Caliber" is a different judgment. A #2 caliber qb may start but that doesnt make him starting CALIBER. By starting caliber I mean you don't want to replace him and will build around him and think that he will be good enough to win with. That's opposed to a guy where it's well someone has to play qb but if we had the chance to upgrade the position we would.

The "are there enough qbs" argument is just different.

It's like wines. There are fine great wines, and there are 2nd rate wines (which are still better than bad wines). We may drink a lot of 2nd tier wine because we can only afford so much of the fine wines. But that doesn;t make the 2nd rate win we drink into fine wine.

That is, to combine your view and my view, there are not 32 starting caliber qbs in the NFL, so that some teams have to use (what I call) #2 caliber qbs as starters.



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  Is Foles a starter or a backup quality QB?

max673February 05, 2018 09:23AM

  Re: Is Foles a starter or a backup quality QB?

moklerman381February 05, 2018 09:31AM

  Re: Is Foles a starter or a backup quality QB?

NorCalRamFan264February 05, 2018 09:35AM

  You just described Eli Manning nm

RFIP178February 05, 2018 10:24AM

  Eli's not a backup

moklerman205February 05, 2018 10:30AM

  I'm saying it

RFIP235February 05, 2018 10:59AM

  I'm not an Eli fan, but...

moklerman187February 05, 2018 11:04AM

  You miss my point

RFIP311February 05, 2018 01:04PM

  I'm still not 100% sold either way...

max198February 05, 2018 09:56AM

  Not sure what you mean, exactly, but...

JamesJM221February 05, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: Not sure what you mean, exactly, but...

max240February 05, 2018 10:33AM

  my answer isn't one of your choices

zn264February 05, 2018 12:08PM

  You surprised me....

JamesJM201February 05, 2018 12:37PM

  different way of answering

zn208February 05, 2018 01:21PM

  Eh, not really...

JamesJM229February 05, 2018 01:32PM

  Re: Eh, not really...

zn207February 05, 2018 02:05PM

  Re: my answer isn't one of your choices

max317February 05, 2018 03:37PM

  Re: Is Foles a starter or a backup quality QB?

Anonymous User269February 05, 2018 04:36PM

  Re: Is Foles a starter or a backup quality QB?

max344February 06, 2018 01:05AM

  Re: Is Foles a starter or a backup quality QB?

moklerman220February 06, 2018 06:26AM

  Re: Is Foles a starter or a backup quality QB?

max179February 06, 2018 07:50AM

  Would Wentz have done better?

GarlicExile248February 06, 2018 08:14AM

  What really happened is the dumbed down the offesne for Foles

Blue and Gold398February 06, 2018 08:33AM

  Which further mystifies me

moklerman194February 06, 2018 08:55AM

  Doesn't speak highly for the Pat's D does it? :) (nm)

JamesJM187February 06, 2018 09:01AM

  Pats D, IMO, was really bad

Blue and Gold179February 06, 2018 09:17AM

  Re: Pats D, IMO, was really bad

moklerman225February 06, 2018 09:28AM

  Re: Pats D, IMO, was really bad

zn197February 06, 2018 03:57PM

  If the offense was so dumb, the Pats would have stuffed it -- NM

GarlicExile181February 06, 2018 09:29AM

  Offense was dumbed down, not me saying it

Blue and Gold175February 06, 2018 09:34AM

  Media saying Foles will cost you a 1st rounder

max231February 06, 2018 11:45AM

  Teams need to be careful on Foles

Rams_81178February 06, 2018 03:52PM