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Re: No, I am not confident in Snead.

January 16, 2018 02:44PM
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Coy Bacon
My criteria is not other team's drafts successes or failures, its is our own. All of us agree we've had some good, and some bad. I think overall, slightly more bad than good, i.e. below average.

I think comparing Snead's performance against other team's performances is a bad metric.

Take a step back. I'm fairly intelligent, am very critical, and I think I grade harder than most. If the Rams hire me to do their draft picks, I know I could do as well as Snead. I think many guys on this board could do better. I mean that sincerely. We fans are very passionate at times. There is plenty of info out there about college players. This isn't semi-conductor physics. I would rather the Rams hire Alyo full time to do their draft picks than Snead. "Below average" is not a high bar and I'd bet Alyo, and others, would easily out perform Snead.

Making a judgment without a comparison of some type doesn't make any sense for several reasons.

One, even if we were to give a grade in a vacuum - let's say a C or C- as you and Jemech suggest - it's still possible that the entire class is getting C's too and Snead has the highest C in the class. In such a case, he's doing well even with a C. We'd need to show that his peers are getting A's and B's to establish that he's just average or below.

Two, you actually are making a comparison when you say that you or Alyo could do better. You're using that (speculative) info and saying that Snead falls short in comparison to what an amateur can do. If comparing him to passionate amateurs to argue against his competency makes sense, then comparing him to his professional peers to assess his competency makes even more sense.

Three, it's important to have some type of objective benchmark so as not to set unrealistic expectations. You state that Snead has had good picks and bad ones but slightly more bad than good and suggest that that is a problem. The implication here is that 50% or more of his picks should pan out; it appears that is your expectation. However, when you factor in the extremely low success percentages from the 4th through 7th rounds, that's not a reasonable expectation. It's a fact that league wide, 50% of 2nd round picks are busts. Having that knowledge as a benchmark, should help inform what reasonable expectations are.

It seems pretty clear to me that there really can't be a judgment of his performance without a some type of comparison or clear benchmark. My guess is, if you were owner who was considering hiring or firing him, you would have these types of numbers in hand to help inform your decision.

Beyond our differences on the need for a comparison / benchmark, I also disagree that you or any other passionate fan could do a better job. With all due respect of course...

It's very easy to just state you could do better but that's speculative at best. I've been on this board a long time and I've never seen anyone with an established, documented track record that in actuality rivals paid professionals. Without that info I'm not buying that they could.

You overstate how easy the job is. If it was so easy, that 50% bust rate on 2nd round picks that I cited above wouldn't exist. Having such a high bust rate on such high premium picks shows that drafting is not an exact science; it's an art with a high degree of difficulty to get right.

Sure being good at semi-conductor physics requires high intelligence but at least it's based on math. I.e. a science. Drafting involves not just assessing talent but making judgments on work ethic, passion, love for football, leadership capacity, football IQ, and a host of other intangibles. That's why I say it's half art. This aspect of drafting, IMO, is the reason for the high bust rate in every round but the 1st round.

Anyway, FWIW, I'm not trying to convince you that Snead is good. I'm just saying that we need to have some type of benchmark to know one way or another.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Is everybody confident in Snead?

Los Angeles Lenny798January 15, 2018 03:20PM

  watching the playoffs

Los Angeles Lenny407January 15, 2018 03:24PM

  to this minute I'm not sure who drafts

ferragamo79328January 15, 2018 03:50PM

  Re: Is everybody confident in Snead?

Rams43282January 15, 2018 04:10PM

  Hit or miss...

jemach376January 15, 2018 06:27PM

  naw it's not on McVay though he's part of it

zn336January 16, 2018 02:59AM

  Re: naw it's not on McVay though he's part of it

Rams43246January 16, 2018 05:41AM

  After this last draft, I don't know how we can NOT be confident

RockRam390January 16, 2018 03:59AM

  In their Pressers it was clear...

max299January 16, 2018 04:15AM

  "McVay made it clear what he was looking for"

RamsFanSince69287January 16, 2018 05:23AM

  right and Phillips too and this is not new

zn255January 16, 2018 10:44AM

  as I said

zn248January 16, 2018 01:55PM

  Re: Not at all...

spagsbacker280January 16, 2018 04:37AM

  I think th eonly way you can make that argument

RamUK237January 16, 2018 10:44AM

  Exactly

zn251January 16, 2018 10:53AM

  No, I am not confident in Snead.

Coy Bacon360January 16, 2018 04:39AM

  Yes...a point to remember...

jemach250January 16, 2018 05:49AM

  Re: No, I am not confident in Snead.

dzrams248January 16, 2018 08:31AM

  You have to take into consideration all the top 10 picks...

jemach265January 16, 2018 10:17AM

  Re: Yes...but we still need more...

dzrams283January 16, 2018 10:32AM

  also true plus it's not just "top of the round".

zn225January 16, 2018 10:58AM

  That still the top half...

jemach196January 16, 2018 03:17PM

  you have no basis for saying any of that

zn258January 16, 2018 03:28PM

  Hit rates are deeper than a percentage...

jemach391January 16, 2018 04:31PM

  obviously

zn273January 16, 2018 04:38PM

  Re: Steelers? Are you sure about that?

dzrams243January 16, 2018 05:25PM

  He has had a plethora of top 10 picks...

jemach228January 16, 2018 03:12PM

  Re: He has had a plethora of top 10 picks...

zn230January 16, 2018 03:46PM

  You're really my high school English teacher right?

jemach469January 16, 2018 04:36PM

  Re: You're really my high school english teacher right?

zn213January 16, 2018 04:40PM

  Hey...six years...no biggie.

jemach229January 16, 2018 04:42PM

  Re: Hey...six years...no biggie.

zn245January 16, 2018 04:50PM

  Ok...then I'll go back to original assertion...

jemach236January 16, 2018 04:53PM

  Re: Ok...then I'll go back to original assertion...

zn242January 16, 2018 04:55PM

  Re: Your question highlights my point...

dzrams405January 16, 2018 05:19PM

  true

zn253January 16, 2018 10:54AM

  Re: No, I am not confident in Snead.

Coy Bacon260January 16, 2018 12:29PM

  Re: No, I am not confident in Snead.

dzrams258January 16, 2018 02:44PM

  Re: Excellent post

RamsFanSinceLA377January 17, 2018 12:15PM

  Re: No, I am not confident in Snead.

Rampage2K-233January 17, 2018 12:21PM

  i am very confident in him.....coming off best offseason in over a decade!!

Rampage2K-256January 16, 2018 09:08AM

  McSnead is a great teaming of HC & GM

David Deacon215January 16, 2018 10:03AM

  Re: McSnead is a great teaming of HC & GM

zn375January 16, 2018 11:26AM

  I’m confident that their timing is good...

max230January 16, 2018 11:41AM

  yep +1 (nm)

ferragamo79200January 16, 2018 12:03PM

  McSnead will draft high football IQ guys now

XXXIVwin273January 16, 2018 11:15PM