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April 22, 2017 06:32AM
Greg Gabriel: Is a quarterback's velocity an indicator of how good he will be in the NFL?

Too much was made over what a radar gun said about the top QBs at the Combine
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On recent days there has been a lot of chatter on Twitter about the throwing velocity of the quarterbacks at the annual Scouting Combine. What velocity measures is how fast the ball is moving once thrown. In other words, miles per hour.

Some of the results from the Combine were as follows: Patrick Mahomes: 60 mph, Davis Webb: 59 mph, DeShone Kizer: 56 mph, Mitch Trubisky and Jerod Evans: 55 mph, Nate Peterman and Brad Kaaya: 53 mph and Deshaun Watson: 49 mph. The main Twitter concern was that Watson does not have an NFL arm. Nonsense!

After these results were tweeted out, there were a number of other tweets saying things such as, “The minimal number a QB can have is 55" or, "Anyone with less than 55 will struggle to play in the NFL,” etc.

I found these tweets amusing, as the people who were posting these things don’t have any idea of what they are talking about. Why? The “velocity” stat has only been used for a few years and there is not nearly enough evidence to tell us a thing other than the miles per hour a quarterback's throw is traveling. Ten years from now there may be some evidence, but today there is nothing. In fact when I asked some GMs and coaches around the league that I know about the stat they all agreed it was meaningless at this time as far as predicting anything. Again, not enough data.

Most if not all of the top quarterbacks in the league never had their velocity measured at the Combine. I guarantee you that some of the greatest of all-time would have “flunked’ the velocity test. Coming out of college Peyton Manning had a good, but not a great arm. Tom Brady actually had a bit less than a good arm and Drew Brees' arm strength coming out was below average at best.

How did we know this? We watched practice live and a lot of game tape. I was at a Purdue practice during Brees' final year and he struggled to complete a 12-yard out in windy conditions. I was at Peyton Manning’s Pro Day and in a scripted workout he showed far less than a cannon. One of the knocks on Brady coming out was he couldn’t “drive” the ball.

After each of these quarterbacks spent some time in the National Football League, their arm strength improved. In fact, not only did it improve, but it improved dramatically.

In many college programs, the quarterback is not forced to do much in the weight room. Once they get to the NFL, things change. If you want to keep your job and be able to compete, you have to do everything you can to improve. There are numerous exercises quarterbacks can do to improve their arm strength. These players look to improve grip strength, forearm strength and triceps strength. Improving those areas will improve the zip a quarterback has on the ball.

Yes, coaches and evaluators want a quarterback to have a strong arm, but they also want the player to throw a tight ball. In fact many believe “spin” is more important than outright arm strength. A strong-armed quarterback who doesn’t throw a tight ball will struggle in the wind. Likewise, a quarterback with an average arm can have success in the wind or cold if he can spin the ball properly.

Getting back to Deshaun Watson. Anyone who doesn’t think his arm is strong enough to play in the NFL doesn’t know how to evaluate. He has no trouble making every required NFL throw. He has proven this over and over again on tape. While he may not have the quickest release, he can make all the throws and can easily throw the ball 55 yards downfield with a tight spiral.

Next time you see such nonsense, just throw it away. It is, at best, a very inexact stat that people in the NFL aren’t putting a whole lot of stock in. It just so happens that those are the people that matter when it comes to evaluations.



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Laram
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Goff has more velocity on his throws than any QB in this year's draft

RockRam890April 22, 2017 06:18AM

  The Young Man Can Throw the Rock!

GreatRamNTheSky247April 22, 2017 06:27AM

  Re: Trumpery...

laram261April 22, 2017 06:32AM

  Which is why it meant zero for Jamarcus Russell....

RFIP274April 22, 2017 07:16AM

  to be fair RR addressed that in his post...

zn245April 22, 2017 07:42AM

  True. But Case Keenum was called noodle arm around here

RockRam284April 22, 2017 09:16AM

  Re: Arm strength and velocity are separate traits...

laram273April 22, 2017 09:22AM

  I didn't see that at all

zn240April 22, 2017 09:30AM

  Sorry LA, you're wrong: velocity IS the measure of arm strength

RockRam220April 22, 2017 09:48AM

  Re: Cam Newton and Andy Dalton...

laram178April 22, 2017 09:56AM

  I find that hard to believe

LesBaker181April 22, 2017 11:23AM

  Re: Yeah I can't either but that's what his list says...

laram165April 22, 2017 11:38AM

  That looks to be true

9er8er138April 22, 2017 11:59AM

  Re: Sorry LA, you're wrong: velocity IS the measure of arm strength

zn349April 22, 2017 09:56AM

  Sorry LA, you're wrong: No he's not

Anonymous User286April 22, 2017 11:59AM

  Re: Sorry LA, you're wrong: No he's not

zn222April 22, 2017 12:51PM

  Don't know how much velocity Bobby Douglass for the Bears had but....

NewMexicoRam195April 22, 2017 11:17AM

  Not a list, but here's a few QBs velocity

RockRam256April 22, 2017 09:38AM

  Re: Watch Russell Wilsons ball vs Goff's..

laram230April 22, 2017 09:46AM

  Watching it is no gauge.

RockRam204April 22, 2017 09:53AM

  This really is mostly useless

9er8er189April 22, 2017 10:57AM

  Re: This really is mostly useless

waterfield243April 22, 2017 01:54PM

  Goff needs to do some squats if he wants to throw harder and longer

LesBaker204April 22, 2017 12:11PM

  Re: True dat!!....nm

laram169April 22, 2017 12:20PM

  Problem

waterfield165April 22, 2017 01:50PM

  Re: Trumpery... Okay and ........

GreatRamNTheSky150April 23, 2017 04:18AM

  Not sure where you're getting that info

9er8er223April 22, 2017 11:02AM

  If it was just about the numbers

LesBaker148April 22, 2017 11:44AM

  Re: Not sure where you're getting that info

GreatRamNTheSky200April 23, 2017 04:21AM

  Re: Goff has more velocity on his throws than any QB in this year's draft

SoCalRAMatic149April 22, 2017 12:21PM

  This article tells me all I need to know!

RFIP182April 22, 2017 12:28PM

  The test is junk

Flipper336160April 22, 2017 02:01PM