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Same old excuses. Injuries.
Happen to every Team but the good ones overcome it.
Go Rams!!!!!!!!!!
I don't see injuries as an
excuse for our failures....they are a reality and
you're right good teams overcome and we are not good and have not overcome them like we would want.
But injuries are
reasons why some of our failures have happened.
No, it is demonstrably NOT true that all teams overcome ALL kinds of injuries, even good ones.
That's a myth. Worse, it's a slogan without anything real behind it.
When a crucial unit is overcome with multiple injuries teams do NOT overcome it.
So for example, tell me the Rams should expect the same kind of defensive production if they lost Quinn, Donald, and Hayes for the season. Anyone who then said "good teams overcome that" would just be wrong.
Same with EXTENSIVE, MULTIPLE, SIMULTANEOUS OL injuries...as the Rams have demonstrated year after year, going back to 2007.
If you combine a mutliply injured OL with qb issues, you don't just "overcome that." Over the years I have said that, and continuously ask everyone, name me examples of teams that DID overcome that. There has never been a credible response. From anyone, across years. There's a reason for that.
Heck sometimes you don't even need the qb issues. It's a rare qb who can play effectively with extensively damaged OLs. Guys like Bulger, Flacco, Eli, and even Luck are taken down a peg or 2 or more when their OLs fall apart to that extent.
So remember---it's never just "injuries." It's MULTIPLE EXTENSIVE SIMULTANEOUS INJURIES TO A KEY UNIT, SUCH AS THE OL. That distinction is important.
And you're right, calling that "excuses" is just to evade the real issues.
Zack,
How do you explain the Rams O-line this year, then? By any objective measure, they have been relatively healthy. Not trying to disprove the injury theory, it's legitimate. But in this instance, I believe the talent level (as a whole) and offensive scheme (see Fisher) are the real culprits.
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I dont understand.
You seem to be misreading.
Saying that multiple extensive OL injuries can drag an offense down---which is just true (unless they have a rare qb who can handle it)---does not mean that JUST BECAUSE an OL will be healthy, it will be good.
No one would ever claim that because it doesn't make sense.
And remember the discussion you entered. Here's what I was saying. Someone claimed, Rams never did enough to field an OL. My response was, no, they DID, and in fact they had a decent OL in 2013. It fell apart because of injuries.
Then someone tried the "all good teams overcome injuries" routine, which just does not hold up when you are looking at multiple UNIT injuries (and that is just plain common sense).
You then come in and say why isn't THIS unit good, it's healthy.
To which I have to then point out, just because a unit is healthy does not guarantee it is good. Plus of course no one would ever claim that.
So it's a very mixed up twisted conversation. There have been several completely different topics so far, all in a short subthread. It's confusing to follow.
BUT to directly answer your point---which is a NEW topic---this OL is young, inexperienced, and we do not even know yet how good it is on the personnel level. It did play better the end of last year but this year, defenses are stacking against Gurley, and that meant relying a lot on Keenum, who could not throw in certain ranges.
So I say we have no idea how good this OL is right now, UNTIL we have seen it for a few games with Goff. My prediction is that it will just not be seen as bad after that, as some are claiming.
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/04/2016 05:43AM by zn.
