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Well, without Palmer he did go 9-3 the FIRST time he won coach of the year. Two coach of the year awards his first 5 years in the league and it's not like he inherited Palmer. He went out and got him and helped turn his career around.

Should we even talk about the 3 straight 10+ win seasons in the toughest division in football?

So much angst for a coach just because he called a sub .500 team 8-8.

and than this

2012: 9-3
2014: 5-6(including playoffs)

That's 14-9(.608) without Palmer at QB.