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the difference between alcohol and medication

July 12, 2019 11:32AM
is that drinking alcohol is a a lifestyle choice with realy zero medical benefits while taking medications such as lipitor is a treatment for an illness AND is clearly done under the a doctors supervision. Quite different imo.

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People have gotten off of this kind of thing though because they argue they were not consciously in control of their actions. I heard of a case where a guy got off for doing a similar thing because he claimed he was a sleep walker and he was sleep walking when it happened. Rath's defense is that he could not consciously have intended the action given his state of mind. All he has to do of course is plant reasonble doubt in people's minds.

The intent part of this law is crucial of course because accidently brushing up against someone in a crowded grocery line is not an intentional act of sexual misconduct.

But then Rath's people are claiming that being messed up and not really in conscious control of one's actions amounts to the same thing--a question of the actual intent.

I just think his legal team is trying to leverage that.

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It seems like the kind of defense intended to plead out to a lesser charge, whatever that might be. Not sexual battery but something lesser. Clearly, this kind of defense does not work for someone arrested for driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs. I wonder how the legal system justifies what appears to me to be an inconsistent application of this defense - not being able to consciously control one's actions.
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  Update on Rath trail

tonyde1843July 09, 2019 08:34AM

  Alcohol & Lipitor = Sexual Assault???

SunTzu_vs_Camus440July 09, 2019 09:52AM

  A physician's view

NewMexicoRam513July 09, 2019 02:58PM

  Re: A physician's view

PHDram359July 09, 2019 06:40PM

  Of course

NewMexicoRam613July 09, 2019 06:55PM

  Re: Of course

JamesJM477July 09, 2019 06:57PM

  Did this come up in your search?

PHDram279July 09, 2019 07:33PM

  My bet is defense comes with mri and ct scans

stlramz451July 09, 2019 08:06PM

  Re: My bet is defense comes with mri and ct scans

ramBRO251July 09, 2019 08:48PM

  Re: My bet is defense comes with mri and ct scans

zn274July 09, 2019 10:22PM

  Re: My bet is defense comes with mri and ct scans

stlramz230July 10, 2019 10:20AM

  Re: My bet is defense comes with mri and ct scans

PHDram258July 10, 2019 11:09AM

  I take atorvastatin (lipitor) and drink alcohol

waterfield272July 12, 2019 07:04AM

  LOL...best one of the day yet.........nm

Arkansas Ram387July 12, 2019 07:24AM

  That's not a sudden onset sort of problem.

NewMexicoRam242July 10, 2019 08:50AM

  Re: That's not a sudden onset sort of problem.

PHDram236July 10, 2019 08:55AM

  agreed.

SunTzu_vs_Camus225July 10, 2019 03:02AM

  Re: Update on Rath trail Attachments

LMU93483July 09, 2019 10:49AM

  So is the defense admitting that this actually happened?

RockRam401July 09, 2019 11:32AM

  not really

PHDram319July 09, 2019 12:09PM

  Re: not really

zn319July 09, 2019 12:19PM

  Re: So is the defense admitting that this actually happened?

ABQRam338July 09, 2019 12:19PM

  its not just alcohol

PHDram302July 09, 2019 12:32PM

  Re: its not just alcohol

ABQRam277July 09, 2019 01:24PM

  Well again

PHDram264July 09, 2019 02:34PM

  Criminal intent

waterfield236July 12, 2019 08:52AM

  Re: Criminal intent

zn340July 12, 2019 09:31AM

  Re: Criminal intent

snowman271July 12, 2019 10:51AM

  the difference between alcohol and medication

PHDram208July 12, 2019 11:32AM

  Re: the difference between alcohol and medication

zn234July 12, 2019 11:39AM

  Re: the difference between alcohol and medication

PHDram228July 12, 2019 12:26PM

  Re: the difference between alcohol and medication

zn202July 12, 2019 01:06PM

  Atorvastatin for an illness?

waterfield208July 12, 2019 02:56PM

  Re: Criminal intent-general v specific

waterfield231July 12, 2019 11:44AM

  Re: Criminal intent-general v specific

zn215July 12, 2019 11:50AM

  Re: Criminal intent and the "twinkie" case

waterfield338July 12, 2019 11:08AM

  Re: Criminal intent and the "twinkie" case

zn370July 12, 2019 11:45AM

  Re: Criminal intent and the "twinkie" case

waterfield225July 12, 2019 12:01PM

  gotcha ... very clearly stated (nm)

zn223July 12, 2019 12:15PM

  Sounds like a slingers party.....

Rampage2K-418July 09, 2019 12:17PM

  Re: Sounds like a slingers party.....

zn338July 09, 2019 12:22PM

  Re: Sounds like a slingers party.....

Rampage2K-566July 09, 2019 01:54PM

  Re: Sounds like a slingers party.....

zn312July 09, 2019 02:00PM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

tonyde308July 09, 2019 02:20PM

  Rath Accuser Testifies In Court

ramBRO546July 09, 2019 06:21PM

  Re: Rath Accuser Testifies In Court

moklerman408July 09, 2019 07:15PM

  Just my option......if true....

Arkansas Ram396July 10, 2019 05:41AM

  Re: Just my option......if true....

PHDram401July 10, 2019 06:06AM

  Rath Takes The Witness Stand

ramBRO435July 11, 2019 03:39PM

  Just saw a not guilty verdict.

cool_hand_luke442July 12, 2019 03:02PM

  Re: Just saw a not guilty verdict.

zn431July 12, 2019 03:10PM

  Re: Just saw a not guilty verdict.

Ekern55419July 12, 2019 03:15PM

  Re: Just saw a not guilty verdict.

RamBill454July 12, 2019 03:19PM

  Rams assistant found not guilty of sexual battery

RamBill415July 12, 2019 07:55PM

  Deliberated an hour.......

Rampage2K-626July 12, 2019 08:53PM

  True

stlramz453July 12, 2019 09:09PM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

NorCalRamFan367July 15, 2019 01:16AM

  OK - So is he going to be back at training camp this week? (nm)

RinconRam289July 23, 2019 07:12AM

  Re: OK - So is he going to be back at training camp this week? (nm)

tonyde577July 23, 2019 12:04PM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

tonyde400July 23, 2019 02:28PM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

Classicalwit551July 24, 2019 04:06AM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

Rams43298July 24, 2019 05:53AM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

RinconRam418July 24, 2019 07:22AM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

SoCalRAMatic317July 24, 2019 07:47AM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

zn303July 24, 2019 08:48AM

  Re: Update on Rath trail

bigjimram21250July 24, 2019 10:41AM