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May 14, 2019 08:00PM
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If the Rams really don’t feel that he is worth what QBs are getting for 2nd contracts, they can franchise him for a year or two like Cousins was.

But it’s unlikely that he signs a 2nd contract for less than what the market for 2nd contracts is.

Yes it is true that IF they don't think he is their continuing starter they can franchise him.

But to turn that around, IF they franchise him it's because they don't think he's their continuing starter.

Since the start of the new CBA, only one qb was franchised, and that of course is Cousins--and it was seen universally as happening because of Washington's inability to commit to him.

Actually come to think of it, in the entire history of the franchise tag, has any other qb been tagged that way?

I don't think it's anyone.

As a rule if you don't want to start over at qb, you pay your starter. If on the other hand you can't pay him his market value, you move on.

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The general rule has been what you state here but IMO that needs to change as it's not so smart. It's a case by case basis.

There are several QBs where teams probably should have went the franchise tag route for a couple of years to see what they had. Matt Stafford, Derrick Carr, Alex Smith, and Joe Flacco are all examples of QBs getting huge checks that are not good enough to lead a team to a championship IMO.

Those teams have an average QB AND a crippling contract.

Jax was smart to cut bait with Bortles. Some advocated giving him a big QB 2nd contract money but don't do it if the guy isn't worthy. And if it's borderline, go the franchise tag route for a year or two.

With the way QB contracts are rising in recent years, I see more teams either cutting bait like Jax with Bortles or tagging the borderline players for a couple of years.

Well, a couple of things. First, Bortles was an easy decision. So I don't think his example stands for much.

Second, I don't agree that qb contracts are crippling. The research has already shown that teams with top qb contracts appear in the playoffs regularly. That means those teams know how to build a team around the presumed cap issues. I think the problem is teams that DON'T know how to do that. For example the people who rejoiced at Wilson's contract? IMO they're leaping to conclusions.

I am just not one of those who counts signing your qb as a problem. I think the cap works even with those contracts and I think the Rams will prove it as time goes along.

Or let's put it this way.

If it's a disadvantage to pay your veteran qb market value...

it's ALSO a disadvantage to have a young qb whose lack of experience good playoff defenses can exploit...

and it's ALSO a disadvantage to cheap out at qb and buy one like Keenum who costs less that market value for starting caliber veteran qbs.

AND at the same time, if you have the coaches and good management, you can make any one of those scenarios work, too.

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CeeZar102May 14, 2019 05:05AM

  none need to be done now

LMU9390May 14, 2019 05:32AM

  disagree

PHDram85May 14, 2019 05:52AM

  Re: disagree

Ohiorams59May 14, 2019 06:58AM

  Re: disagree

PHDram61May 14, 2019 07:04AM

  Re: disagree

Ramboni41May 14, 2019 02:50PM

  I could see extending Littleton now

LMU9366May 14, 2019 07:49AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

PHDram54May 14, 2019 08:12AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

Rams4350May 14, 2019 09:01AM

  Re: none need to be done now

zn59May 14, 2019 09:58AM

  brockers

PHDram69May 14, 2019 05:50AM

  They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

David Deacon44May 14, 2019 11:11AM

  Re: They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

PHDram38May 14, 2019 11:29AM

  I would sign Goff today

LBRamsFan63May 14, 2019 09:09AM

  If we could do it for less than $30 million annually...

jemach59May 14, 2019 09:35AM

  Like against NO? (nm)

LBRamsFan34May 14, 2019 09:37AM

  You mean when we were once again stopped...

jemach52May 14, 2019 09:42AM

  Re: You mean when we were once again stopped...

LBRamsFan51May 14, 2019 09:47AM

  Re: You mean Goff............

oldschoolramfan45May 14, 2019 09:59AM

  there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

zn56May 14, 2019 10:04AM

  I expected you to respond...

jemach48May 14, 2019 10:09AM

  Re: I expected you to respond...

zn58May 14, 2019 10:12AM

  I like the way you explain this

snowman38May 14, 2019 10:27AM

  oh good

PHDram35May 14, 2019 10:43AM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams36May 14, 2019 01:38PM

  And look at the predicament

PHDram26May 14, 2019 02:01PM

  Re: And look at the predicament

dzrams28May 14, 2019 02:23PM

  You either have one or you dont

PHDram31May 14, 2019 05:34PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

dzrams38May 14, 2019 07:38PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

PHDram26May 15, 2019 06:21AM

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zn42May 14, 2019 06:58PM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams36May 14, 2019 07:48PM

  Re: This is an option...

zn41May 14, 2019 08:00PM

  ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

SunTzu_vs_Camus41May 15, 2019 01:39AM

  Re: ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

zn37May 15, 2019 04:38AM

  Re: there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

bigjimram2122May 14, 2019 10:36AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

spagsbacker73May 14, 2019 10:13AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

bigjimram2146May 14, 2019 10:40AM

  as quarterbacks do not grow on trees

PHDram42May 14, 2019 11:26AM

  Re: I sign Bortles as well................No doubt!

oldschoolramfan43May 14, 2019 11:36AM

  sure

PHDram41May 14, 2019 12:13PM

  Re: sure

dzrams33May 15, 2019 05:07AM

  Re: beat me to it....

spagsbacker49May 14, 2019 12:20PM

  What on earth

PHDram46May 14, 2019 12:36PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan46May 14, 2019 01:13PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

PHDram45May 14, 2019 05:45PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan53May 15, 2019 05:51AM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

bigjimram2129May 15, 2019 11:18AM

  Being successful in less than ideal situations

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