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May 14, 2019 08:00PM
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If the Rams really don’t feel that he is worth what QBs are getting for 2nd contracts, they can franchise him for a year or two like Cousins was.

But it’s unlikely that he signs a 2nd contract for less than what the market for 2nd contracts is.

Yes it is true that IF they don't think he is their continuing starter they can franchise him.

But to turn that around, IF they franchise him it's because they don't think he's their continuing starter.

Since the start of the new CBA, only one qb was franchised, and that of course is Cousins--and it was seen universally as happening because of Washington's inability to commit to him.

Actually come to think of it, in the entire history of the franchise tag, has any other qb been tagged that way?

I don't think it's anyone.

As a rule if you don't want to start over at qb, you pay your starter. If on the other hand you can't pay him his market value, you move on.

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The general rule has been what you state here but IMO that needs to change as it's not so smart. It's a case by case basis.

There are several QBs where teams probably should have went the franchise tag route for a couple of years to see what they had. Matt Stafford, Derrick Carr, Alex Smith, and Joe Flacco are all examples of QBs getting huge checks that are not good enough to lead a team to a championship IMO.

Those teams have an average QB AND a crippling contract.

Jax was smart to cut bait with Bortles. Some advocated giving him a big QB 2nd contract money but don't do it if the guy isn't worthy. And if it's borderline, go the franchise tag route for a year or two.

With the way QB contracts are rising in recent years, I see more teams either cutting bait like Jax with Bortles or tagging the borderline players for a couple of years.

Well, a couple of things. First, Bortles was an easy decision. So I don't think his example stands for much.

Second, I don't agree that qb contracts are crippling. The research has already shown that teams with top qb contracts appear in the playoffs regularly. That means those teams know how to build a team around the presumed cap issues. I think the problem is teams that DON'T know how to do that. For example the people who rejoiced at Wilson's contract? IMO they're leaping to conclusions.

I am just not one of those who counts signing your qb as a problem. I think the cap works even with those contracts and I think the Rams will prove it as time goes along.

Or let's put it this way.

If it's a disadvantage to pay your veteran qb market value...

it's ALSO a disadvantage to have a young qb whose lack of experience good playoff defenses can exploit...

and it's ALSO a disadvantage to cheap out at qb and buy one like Keenum who costs less that market value for starting caliber veteran qbs.

AND at the same time, if you have the coaches and good management, you can make any one of those scenarios work, too.

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CeeZar148May 14, 2019 05:05AM

  none need to be done now

LMU93138May 14, 2019 05:32AM

  disagree

PHDram124May 14, 2019 05:52AM

  Re: disagree

Ohiorams102May 14, 2019 06:58AM

  Re: disagree

PHDram97May 14, 2019 07:04AM

  Re: disagree

Ramboni82May 14, 2019 02:50PM

  I could see extending Littleton now

LMU93103May 14, 2019 07:49AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

PHDram97May 14, 2019 08:12AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

Rams4394May 14, 2019 09:01AM

  Re: none need to be done now

zn126May 14, 2019 09:58AM

  brockers

PHDram110May 14, 2019 05:50AM

  They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

David Deacon88May 14, 2019 11:11AM

  Re: They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

PHDram79May 14, 2019 11:29AM

  I would sign Goff today

LBRamsFan98May 14, 2019 09:09AM

  If we could do it for less than $30 million annually...

jemach99May 14, 2019 09:35AM

  Like against NO? (nm)

LBRamsFan69May 14, 2019 09:37AM

  You mean when we were once again stopped...

jemach94May 14, 2019 09:42AM

  Re: You mean when we were once again stopped...

LBRamsFan90May 14, 2019 09:47AM

  Re: You mean Goff............

oldschoolramfan86May 14, 2019 09:59AM

  there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

zn94May 14, 2019 10:04AM

  I expected you to respond...

jemach90May 14, 2019 10:09AM

  Re: I expected you to respond...

zn94May 14, 2019 10:12AM

  I like the way you explain this

snowman84May 14, 2019 10:27AM

  oh good

PHDram75May 14, 2019 10:43AM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams75May 14, 2019 01:38PM

  And look at the predicament

PHDram69May 14, 2019 02:01PM

  Re: And look at the predicament

dzrams67May 14, 2019 02:23PM

  You either have one or you dont

PHDram73May 14, 2019 05:34PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

dzrams88May 14, 2019 07:38PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

PHDram67May 15, 2019 06:21AM

  Re: This is an option...

zn83May 14, 2019 06:58PM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams74May 14, 2019 07:48PM

  Re: This is an option...

zn82May 14, 2019 08:00PM

  ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

SunTzu_vs_Camus81May 15, 2019 01:39AM

  Re: ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

zn78May 15, 2019 04:38AM

  Re: there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

bigjimram2152May 14, 2019 10:36AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

spagsbacker112May 14, 2019 10:13AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

bigjimram2174May 14, 2019 10:40AM

  as quarterbacks do not grow on trees

PHDram67May 14, 2019 11:26AM

  Re: I sign Bortles as well................No doubt!

oldschoolramfan66May 14, 2019 11:36AM

  sure

PHDram67May 14, 2019 12:13PM

  Re: sure

dzrams74May 15, 2019 05:07AM

  Re: beat me to it....

spagsbacker77May 14, 2019 12:20PM

  What on earth

PHDram69May 14, 2019 12:36PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan77May 14, 2019 01:13PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

PHDram98May 14, 2019 05:45PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan94May 15, 2019 05:51AM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

bigjimram2169May 15, 2019 11:18AM

  Being successful in less than ideal situations

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