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Re: Some thoughts on PS game 3

August 28, 2016 04:26AM
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Fisher is gonna pound the ball with Gurley and company and use the receivers as secondary weapons to try to keep the defense honest, hopefully limiting them to only 10 in the box.

Good report overall, and a lot I agree with, except I don't agree that that's the Fisher offense. It's just a fact that part of it is to throw downfield a fair percentage of the time (for league standards on that, meaning league numbers on what percentage of attempts go downfield). You are generally in the top third of the league if you throw 31+ yards (in the air) 5% of the time. Last year Keenum did it nearly 7% of the time. Most teams don't get near that percentage. And I am talking about the numbers on guys like Brady, Rodgers, Flacco, Wilson, and so on. This is all demonstrable.

They have not thrown much 31 or more yards this summer but at this point Keenum's YPA from his appearances in 3 games is about 7.8, and last year a 7.8 YPA would have been 2nd in the league.

And of course Goff has enough arm and a quick enough release and the competitive zing to throw downfield regularly. Why would you draft Goff if Keenum is already perfect for your offense. Goff is going to challenge defenses regularly in the 20-30 and 31+ range. I don't see them not using him to do that.

Anyway in relation to the PS games if you have not seen much play action you have not see the Fisher offense.

Plus, as the Rams broadcast analysts were very good at pointing out last time I heard them (v. Denver I got a Denver crew), this year we're getting some interesting wrinkles in the offense that seem to come from Gase via Groh. (It's worth watching Miami this preseason, btw, because they do some of the same things.)

Here btw is Gase on offense. Remember Fisher wanted Gase, praised his work in Chicago, and brought in Groh because Groh would bring Gase concepts and they wanted to add some of that.

This article is flawed IMO because the author ends up talking about the wrong stat, but it gives an idea.

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Adam Gase: The NFL is a dink-and-dunk league

[www.nfl.com]

Miami Dolphins new coach Adam Gase will run the offense that best suits his personnel, despite the catcalls for more deep throws.

When asked about an offense that throughout training camp has been a series of mostly dump-offs, screens, and short-to-intermediate routes, Gase was adamant that he’s comfortable with an offense that exploits the horizontal aspect of the field more than the vertical.

“I’m fine with it. I’m the one scripting the plays, calling the plays,” he said Wednesday, per the Miami Herald. “I’ve had a little success with what we do. There’s a time and a place. There’s also a time and a place not to get sacked 60 times in a year, too.”

With questions on the offensive line, a quarterback in Ryan Tannehill who doesn’t own the most precise deep ball and superior intermediate route runners in Jarvis Landry and DeVante Parker, it’s logical Gase would stick with the shorter passing game.

The new coach earned his current gig in no small part because of his adaptability. The 38-year-old was the quarterbacks coach in Denver during the Tim Tebow experiment. As an offensive coordinator, he helped construct an offense that worked with Peyton Manning’s deteriorating arm strength. Perhaps most notably, Gase turned Jay Cutler into a game-managing quarterback last season, mainly with quick routes that got the ball out of the enigmatic passer’s hands quickly.

Gase’s game plan in Miami not only has to do with his own personnel, but how he views the entire NFL.

“The whole league is 10 yards and under. That’s what it is. Nobody is going down the field. There’s one team that does it really, maybe two. Pittsburgh and Arizona. Hold onto the ball and they chuck it down the field,” he said. “More teams than not, it’s 10 yards and under. That’s where all the passing game is. The D-ends are too good. If you want to stand back there and have your quarterbacks get your brains beat out, go at it.”

Gase isn’t wrong. [zn note: this is where I think the author gets off base. YPA is not the only guide to this and in fact it's not a very good one. IMO it's percentage of attempts thrown in longer ranges.]

The top five quarterbacks in yards per attempt in 2015 were Carson Palmer (8.7 YPA), Andy Dalton (8.4), Ben Roethlisberger (8.4), Russell Wilson (8.3) and Tyrod Taylor (8.0), per Pro Football Reference. Palmer’s 2015 season ranks 50th all time and nowhere near Sid Luckman’s top YPA of 10.9 in 1943. The likes of Tom Brady and Philip Rivers have made an art out of dicing up defenses with a diverse set of quick passes.

The NFL has gone from mad bomber to cerebral carver.

Among the top yards per attempt seasons in NFL history, Aaron Rodgers’ 2011 average of 9.2 is the only one this decade in the top 20 (T-15). For reference, Nick Foles’ magical — and aberrational — 2013 season ranks 23rd all time at 9.1 YPA, second only to 2011 Rodgers this decade (fourth-highest this millennium).

So, when you see the Dolphins’ offense sticking to the quick passing game, it’s not just Tannehill or Gase who are pro-dink and dunk. It’s the overwhelming majority of the NFL, including notable Super Bowl champs.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 08/28/2016 04:36AM by zn.
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  Some thoughts on PS game 3

max1395August 28, 2016 03:29AM

  Re: Some thoughts on PS game 3

zn824August 28, 2016 04:26AM

  In a nutshell....

max562August 28, 2016 05:06AM

  Agree on Goff

Hazlet Hacksaw557August 28, 2016 05:13AM

  Yup. And Fisher should be held accountable for his statements...

max471August 28, 2016 05:27AM

  Re: Yup. And Fisher should be held accountable for his statements...

zn503August 28, 2016 05:43AM

  Re: Yup. And Fisher should be held accountable for his statements...

Hazlet Hacksaw441August 28, 2016 05:48AM

  Re: Yup. And Fisher should be held accountable for his statements...

zn419August 28, 2016 06:07AM

  Maybe, but remember the old saying...

max447August 28, 2016 05:57AM

  We differ greatly, as I'm sure you could have guessed

JamesJM465August 28, 2016 06:04AM

  Re: In a nutshell....

zn510August 28, 2016 05:20AM

  Problems at receiver is on fisher and snead

Hazlet Hacksaw410August 28, 2016 05:42AM

  Re: Problems at receiver is on fisher and snead

zn416August 28, 2016 06:20AM

  Britt is ok

Hazlet Hacksaw386August 28, 2016 08:00AM

  Re: Britt is ok

zn579August 28, 2016 09:30AM

  That 5% number is STILL out of context

moklerman392August 28, 2016 06:44AM

  which context?

zn389August 28, 2016 07:52AM

  A percentage is a percentage?

moklerman438August 28, 2016 07:56AM

  Re: A percentage is a percentage?

max395August 28, 2016 08:16AM

  Re: A percentage is a percentage?

zn430August 28, 2016 09:36AM

  did you read the post?

zn377August 28, 2016 09:33AM

  Re: did you read the post?

moklerman364August 28, 2016 09:57AM

  it's just the evidence, man

zn493August 28, 2016 10:20AM

  Re: it's just the evidence, man

zn342August 28, 2016 09:13PM

  Re: Some thoughts on PS game 3

EastRam668August 28, 2016 04:32AM

  Re: agree and disagree with that

Speed_Kills340August 28, 2016 06:36AM

  11-5

moklerman440August 28, 2016 06:53AM

  Re: 11-5

LARams17410August 28, 2016 07:00AM

  Re: QB has to make a few plays

Speed_Kills478August 28, 2016 08:08AM

  Re: QB has to make a few plays

zn358August 28, 2016 10:40AM

  Offense

Hazlet Hacksaw410August 28, 2016 08:07AM

  Re: Goff

Speed_Kills373August 28, 2016 08:10AM

  Re: agree and disagree with that

dzrams462August 28, 2016 08:24AM

  Re: sure

Speed_Kills426August 28, 2016 08:37AM

  I'll say this again

six2stack369August 28, 2016 09:21AM

  Re: I'll say this again

LARams17415August 28, 2016 10:27AM

  I agree with this bit

zn363August 28, 2016 10:42AM

  Agree

Hazlet Hacksaw409August 28, 2016 10:52AM

  Re: Agree

dzrams518August 29, 2016 07:26AM

  Re: Agree

Rams43353August 29, 2016 07:59AM

  Re: Agree

dzrams436August 29, 2016 08:16AM

  Re: Agree

Rams43370August 29, 2016 08:20AM

  Re: Agree

21Dog385August 29, 2016 08:27AM

  Re: Agree

Rams43322August 29, 2016 08:29AM