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Re: Why the last sentence if indeed they saw no uptick in occurances?

October 22, 2020 06:22PM
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roman18
It's political because the opening premise was attempting to show that Trump is wrong in his statements about suicide....That paper is always doing that. Nothing that paper puts out is not not political. Show me one article in the past 4 years that has not been how bad the president is or show me 1 article concerning Biden that is questioning/berating Biden.

A totally biased paper who really shows no want of hiding it....And I can't see your viewpoint in the ending sentence. If indeed it was meant the way you want to see it, why did they wait till the last sentence to put that in. IMO they should have quantified that assessment in the beginning of the article, not at the end. They go through all this study info...and in the end they say they need to put more work into stopping/slowing down suicide. Again I am very afraid for my niece (she's started HS before all this)...How is it they have done a study but not run into issues like her? She was vibrant, always active....she stays in bed half the day now....IMO that's a sign of depression....we all fear what that can lead to....exactly what their study shows is not happening....

IMO the article was written more to try and yet again disprove a man.....yes politics are involved.....


I'm sorry to hear about your niece. I hope that she gets the help she needs in order to make a strong recovery. My niece actually did attempt suicide several years ago and I know exactly your concern.

I posted this article because there had been prior discussion on this board from some who believe that deaths associated with alcoholism, drug abuse, mental health and suicide (caused by government lockdowns due to the coronavirus) are/will be just as bad as the deaths actually caused by the coronavirus. In essence, these posters were making the "cure is worse than the disease" argument - an argument that the president frequently makes (and actually made again this evening).

Regardless...

Notwithstanding the current challenges facing your niece, I strongly question that argument. It's not that I don't believe there haven't been suicides, alcoholism, increases in domestic violence, et al (due to the lockdown or subsequent restrictions on certain businesses). As a matter of fact, despite the study's limited conclusion (which was acknowledged in the article's 2nd paragraph), I tend to believe that we will see an uptick in these issues.

What I do question, though, is the argument that these upticks (if any) will be equivalent to the 230K American lives already lost to Covid-19 (or even the number of lives that WILL BE LOST from now through the end of the year.

Despite anectdotal references to increases in suicides, I've yet to see any hard data supporting that (or that they're at the level of even a tenth of the number of people lost due to Covid-19). And I suspect that the reason for that is simply because it's not borne out in reality. The "cure is worse than the disease" argument (in the context of Covid-19) is a baseless one - typically made by those who have some type of agenda.

I'm definitely open to changing my mind on this...I just need to see quantifiable proof of it.



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  Why the last sentence if indeed they saw no uptick in occurances?

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  Re: Why the last sentence if indeed they saw no uptick in occurances?

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  Re: Why the last sentence if indeed they saw no uptick in occurances?

ramBRO114October 22, 2020 06:22PM

  another study, same issue

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  Nonsense

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  far from it

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  read your own sentence

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  Yeah that's I thought

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  Re: Yeah that's I thought

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  Re: Yeah that's I thought

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  my bad

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