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Re: Its not there - Alyo speak on the 3 cone please

May 03, 2021 10:31AM
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Deadpool
Sure, size wise, they are very similar.

Natson Pro Day - 5'-6 3/4" 159 lbs. 4.46 40 (Thats pedestrian for a speedster) and a 7.20 3 cone

Atwell Pro Day - 5'-8 7/8" (I've also read 5'-7 3/4"winking smiley 155 lbs. He ran a 4.32 and a 6.87 3 cone

They are both quick, but Atwell is fast. Elite fast. I bet jefferson could run a 4.46. He aint keeping up with Atwell. The other major difference, and Alyo can speak more about this, is Natson should be a sub 7 3 cone. It highlights change of direction and suddenness. 7.20 is not good. a 6.87 is again elite.

And its shows up in games. Natson was shifty, but he wasn't the ankle breaker Atwell is, and Atwell's top end just eliminated so many angles defenders took at him.

Neither one was a nuanced route runner, neither is going to win 50/50 balls. But as far as speed/twitch Atwell is way more superior. And I like his vision better in the open field. And I think he tracks the ball better.

Natson should have been more advanced as far as a WR in college, but he really was raw. And it never seemed to improve for him. Atwell (who's dad was a WR) played HS QB, so I think the route running, changing speeds in and out of breaks, changing the tempo, footwork, sinking hips, even his hands could and should all improve since he has been a WR for exactly 3 years.

So while I get the size comparison, the stats comparison is hollow to me simply because so much more goes into a WR catching passes and running. Is their QB any good, what offensive system are they in, whats the level of competition like. Did they draw the #1 CB week in and week out? And as far as the athletic comparison, I think Atwell just is more athletic. If you want to say Natson jumped longer fine. But verts and long jumps are less meaningful to me than the 3 cone. Esp with shifty runners. I love good 3 cones on LBers and DBs as well.

One last thing on size, I know I struggle with Natson's size, but give him a chance. Size isn't everything. I am 6'-0" 235 lbs, does that mean I should be a ILBer for the Rams, I mean I am 5 lbs heaver than Earnest Jones...its what you do with the size that matters. And Atwell uses it to get into the endzone once every 7 touches in college.

Hey dead I like your assessment but JoJo has more twitch in my opinion. Pure speed I would give the edge to Tutu but that's where it ends.

Tutu goes down very easily with any type of contact where as JoJo was more durable and more of a wiggle guy as evidenced by his excellent return ability and also his superior running ability out of the backfield. Also

They both had one year of standout play IMO and then some lackluster production for there smaller school status. They both tracked well but not contested guys that needed to beat there man by two yds to make the catch. It's not happening in the pros as to why JoJo is more of a return guy even though he was an excellent receiver in college also. I don't see a future for Tutu unless it's for one gadget play a game kind of like how he tried to use Tavon.

Tutu s route tree is three to 4 patterns fade, corner, post corner, and occasionally mcvays lamest play the bubble screen aka the (Tavon special, or 3rd and 15 ala Goff).

Tutu is not like JoJo as runner or return man jet sweep guy that everyone thinks is going to light it up. He runs fast straight he is not tyreek hill or darren sproles shifty guy.
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  Jojo Natson I mean tutu atwell

nicecatchellard546May 02, 2021 06:39AM

  Might as well compare him to Gronk

merlin127May 02, 2021 08:51AM

  Re: Might as well compare him to Gronk

nicecatchellard62May 02, 2021 04:57PM

  Size the only real similarity between Natson and Atwell

RamBill70May 02, 2021 06:05PM

  Re: Size the only real similarity between Natson and Atwell

nicecatchellard57May 02, 2021 06:10PM

  Re: Size the only real similarity between Natson and Atwell

RamBill53May 02, 2021 06:39PM

  Re: Size the only real similarity between Natson and Atwell

nicecatchellard42May 02, 2021 06:41PM

  Re: Size the only real similarity between Natson and Atwell

farley16May 03, 2021 09:18AM

  Re: Size the only real similarity between Natson and Atwell

dzrams33May 02, 2021 08:04PM

  Re: Size the only real similarity between Natson and Atwell

nicecatchellard32May 02, 2021 08:22PM

  what are you talking about?

PHDram30May 03, 2021 05:29AM

  Re: what are you talking about?

nicecatchellard25May 03, 2021 06:14AM

  Re: what are you talking about?

PHDram23May 03, 2021 07:04AM

  Re: what are you talking about?

nicecatchellard28May 03, 2021 07:13AM

  this is much talk about nothing

PHDram20May 03, 2021 08:14AM

  Re: this is much talk about nothing

nicecatchellard24May 03, 2021 08:20AM

  Re: this is much talk about nothing

PHDram19May 03, 2021 08:25AM

  Re: what are you talking about?

Classicalwit12May 03, 2021 11:09AM

  Re: Apparently only size matters?

hammer49May 03, 2021 08:32AM

  Re: Apparently only size matters?

nicecatchellard21May 03, 2021 08:39AM

  Re: Broken worse than size

hammer33May 03, 2021 08:46AM

  Re: Apparently only size matters?

dzrams15May 03, 2021 08:55AM

  Re: Apparently only size matters?

nicecatchellard12May 03, 2021 09:12AM

  its funny that when one is critical

PHDram16May 03, 2021 09:08AM

  Re: Apparently only size matters?

CraigMatson14May 03, 2021 08:52AM

  Jojo doesn't have anywhere near the speed/suddenness

merlin17May 03, 2021 10:33AM

  Re: Jojo doesn't have anywhere near the speed/suddenness

nicecatchellard13May 03, 2021 10:39AM

  Hype vids are the problem here my man

merlin15May 03, 2021 10:58AM

  Re: Hype vids are the problem here my man

nicecatchellard12May 03, 2021 11:12AM

  Re: Might as well compare him to Gronk

nicecatchellard30May 03, 2021 04:35AM

  Its not there - Alyo speak on the 3 cone please

Deadpool51May 03, 2021 09:54AM

  Re: Its not there - Alyo speak on the 3 cone please

nicecatchellard27May 03, 2021 10:31AM