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Re: Not so sure.....

February 27, 2021 05:38PM
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roman18
To regress means of course going backwards, how could a coach develop a guy and then that same coach cause regression? Now if a guy has certain abilities and goes to a new "house" he could regress with a different coach due to the new coaches demands vs. the players previously shown abilities.

I can't see how a coach who was the original coach of the player brought him along and that player improved and then all of a sudden the player starts falling back to his original low points. If anything it would show the inabilities of that player are just surfacing over time when that coach is trying to move forward, evolve from point A to B to C etc.....IMO to ask more of a player as times goes by and that player is stuck in a certain gear how can that be fault of the coach....it more looks like that coach got the best out of that player that he could and it would then stand at an impasse and time to move on, evolve from there.......or sink and delay an inevitable mess.

Why doesn't that same logic apply to the player?

If a qb can progress, why can't he keep progressing?

This is all purely academic (and honestly completely moot) because we're talking about the former qb, not the Rams qb. So basically we're analyzing history. It's like asking in 2020, could they have made the Omaha landing on D-day less of a bloody affair for the American landing force? So given that it's history...

...one possibility is that they changed up the offense without the qb learning it through physical repetition in OTAs, a full training camp, and in the pre-season. And even then--the qb was better than this dark vision of his play I see in some guys's accounts of this. This was not a Wentz situation. In fact when was the last time people complained this badly about the qb with a 10-6 team that won one playoff game and lost the other one mostly because of the defense. Did anyone expect a 10-6 team with a playoff win from the genuinely bad qbs the Rams have fielded before? Rubley? Boller? The damaged Warner of 2002? Banks?

There are plenty of other possibilities. And yes in theory anyway one possibility is that the qb hit a ceiling. Though that's just theory right now (just like everything else) AND it's an incomplete theory because it rules out the possibility that the qb could break through a temporary ceiling and rebound. (Like Stafford did. Look at Stafford's 5th year.)

Either way there are all sorts of scenarios that suggest maybe the coach stalled out too. Maybe he expected too much without a camp. Maybe he and the qb were worrying about the OL. Maybe under the pressure of an unusual season (the covid season) they stopped communicating and the coach got impatient.

Until we have a lot more info....there are all sorts of ways that (#1) we can say it is tied to circumstances, and (#2) we can say that in those circumstances, it could be the qb, it could be the coach, or it could be both.

I think it will be a long time before we even have good guesses.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 02/27/2021 05:45PM by zn.
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  Can HC's be responsible for a QB's regression?

RockRam440February 27, 2021 02:31AM

  I think that they can

Ram_Ruler180February 27, 2021 03:44AM

  great post!!

SunTzu_vs_Camus189February 27, 2021 05:23AM

  Re: great post!!

zn220February 27, 2021 11:29AM

  not directed towards me, but I'd wager

Ram_Ruler201February 27, 2021 12:04PM

  Re: not directed towards me, but I'd wager

zn296February 27, 2021 12:15PM

  Ehhh, opinions I guess

Ram_Ruler175February 27, 2021 12:36PM

  good question....fun to think about...

SunTzu_vs_Camus131February 28, 2021 07:25AM

  Thanks! Yeah i think that sometimes

Ram_Ruler149February 27, 2021 11:59AM

  Not so sure.....

roman18269February 27, 2021 04:11AM

  Re: Not so sure.....

zn247February 27, 2021 05:38PM

  Certainly there is shared blame

David Deacon277February 27, 2021 04:39AM

  Re: Certainly there is shared blame

zn187February 27, 2021 11:39AM

  Re: Certainly there is shared blame

Rampage2K-161February 27, 2021 11:59AM

  Re: Certainly there is shared blame

David Deacon244March 01, 2021 01:24AM

  Re: Certainly there is shared blame

zn127March 01, 2021 01:37AM

  Re: Certainly there is shared blame

Leoram133March 01, 2021 04:13AM

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zn138March 01, 2021 04:36AM

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Leoram123March 01, 2021 05:07AM

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zn110March 01, 2021 09:04AM

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Leoram141March 02, 2021 01:42AM

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zn136March 02, 2021 05:39AM

  Re: Certainly there is shared blame

dzrams114March 01, 2021 06:52AM

  Re: Certainly there is shared blame

Rams43149March 01, 2021 07:04AM

  A Most Certain YES a HC can be Responsible

BearlyThere179February 27, 2021 05:50AM

  Re: A Most Certain YES a HC can be Responsible

Oakville Tim169February 27, 2021 10:15AM

  Re: A Most Certain YES a HC can be Responsible

zn153March 01, 2021 09:25AM

  A simple answer

waterfield186February 27, 2021 01:18PM

  Re: Can HC's be responsible for a QB's regression?

Classicalwit259February 28, 2021 05:16AM