Re: yes exactly

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So based on these two sources, is there a definitive conclusion?

1. Stafford > Goff on 3rd and 8+
2. Goff is no good on 3rd and 8+ (or at least wasn't in 2020)
3. McVay doesn't trust Goff on 3rd and 8+
4. McVay can't play call on 3rd and 8+

Some or all of these?

Zn's numbers appear to make the answer #1 but definitely not #2.

But also, notice--Goff threw 48 times on 3rd and 8+, Stafford threw 62 times. 48 times is more than Jackson, Allen, Brees, Watson, Wilson, though Brees was hurt. It is also 4 less than Mahomes. It's just not a bad or indictable number comparatively.

Detroit has no running game. So you tend to want to let Stafford gunsling.
At least the Rams have Cam Akers. That could be some factor in the discrepancy.
With that option, McVay didn't need to rely on Goff as much.. which probably helps facilitate the "lost confidence" feeling.

Would be interesting to see who on the Rams took most of the carries on 3rd and 8+

How many times were they in third down v. Detroit?

And as I said...Goff does not have low numbers when it comes to 3rd and long attempts. He's only 4 attempts away from Mahomes.

Once you look at rankings, that changes how you see numbers, because rankings are comparative. Was Stafford more effective on 3rd and 8+ than Goff? Sure. BUT. Stafford was also better than EVERYONE on 3rd and 8+--and, cool, hope that continues--and meanwhile Goff was 8th.
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The 2020 Goff is different from 2019 Goff from the OP's post..

Okay, yeah I read all that.

But you think this is an argument about "Goff."

No, I only pointed out the 3rd down stats.

What do I care about in this discussion?

The 3rd down stats.

And no I do not believe McVay would be stupid enough to distrust a qb on 3rd and long who was actually good at it.

I don't think people have to muck up facts in this effort to justify the trade. The trade happened, Stafford's a good one, it's fine.

But facts are facts whether or not they fit a narrative.

And in this case, fact is, in 2020 Goff was 8th in the league on 3rd and 8+.

Stafford was 1st. Good thing for us if that continues.



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