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dzrams
You still seem to be missing a huge point: you don't have to get a Rodgers, Mahomes, or Brady if your QB is cheap. That's the significance of the fact that 14/31(45.2%) of Tier 2 and Tier 3 QBs made the final 4 had cheap contracts. That's nearly half! Tier 2/3 QBs CAN win and clearly do so often. They just can't be expensive.

I have responded to that point every single post in this increasingly unproductive exchange.

I keep saying that teams are not likely to ever believe in starting over every 4 years. That's regardless what you think your numbers tell them. (Because they are looking at far more than that.)

And btw there was a previous debate months ago where some folks claimed that big contracts for qbs held teams back. I used the final 4 quick test and showed that it split 50/50 which means there's no advantage either way. I said that months ago.

And either way since you used the last 10 years and the quick test template I set up, how many of the qbs on it since signed 2nd contracts? Or, like Allen, will soon?

It does not matter what those numbers presumably "demonstrate" -- they can't and don't demonstrate that it is wise to start over every 4 years.

Because, again, as I keep saying, no coach or GM considers the qb's contract to be the only determining factor in building a contender. It does not matter if some teams made it either with a rookie qb or a low paid back-up--that's just not going to be the only thing you look at when making decisions.

Here's what happens if you don't pay your qb at 2nd contract time. Either (1) they're a bust. Or (2) if they are considered starting caliber, if you don't sign them, someone else will.

We will never have a situation where one team says "this is a starting caliber qb but I won't pay him because I won't give 15% of the cap to a qb who isn't Brady, Mahomes, or Rodgers," and then other teams look at that qb and say "okay we won't sign him either even though we need a qb."

It's a qb starved league. Teams will pay for starting caliber qbs.

And then to get to the final 4 they will do other things besides think about the qb. What they won't do is say "did you see dz's numbers? Let;s start over every 4 years."

That's just how I see it. This is not a personal exchange for me. It's not like I am saying your belief that the Rams should promote internally is an anti-McVay message you came up with out of spite because you didn't want Goff to be traded, or something equally personally dismissive--I am not doing motives slams or pile-on flame posts. It's not like that. It's just how I see it--that no GM or coach is going to decide it is a wise policy to start over every 4 years at qb, which is what everything you're saying amounts to. I just don't see that happening.


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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/24/2021 12:54PM by zn.