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zn
On #1, you say it, but you don't factor it in. Saying it but then not actually factoring it in doesn't count in my book,
On #2, not only is he capable of improvement, we've already seen it since he came into the league. So no I never said he's incapable of improvement. In fact that would be a silly thing to say. That's just how you keep misconstruing what I AM saying.
But you shouldn't expect a qb to rise above a shaky OL situation like that, not to 2017/2018 levels. He actually got better last year when the OL solidified---which I demonstrated---though it didn't get back to 2017/2018 levels.
Zn, in a much earlier post I said that you were reading more into my comment and I think I added you were having a knee-jerk reaction to my mild criticism of Goff. That is clearly apparent now. I have been saying exactly what McVay, O'Connell, Goff, and many others were saying. The Football Outsiders critique of Goff shows simple areas where Goff could improve, independent of the OLine. Goff and the others are aware of those opportunities of improvement.
My original comment was that "I'd like to see Goff take a big step forward in terms of handling pressure." Do to this discussion I've seen all of those named above also want to see Goff take a step forward.
You are incorrect in your comment #1 in that I don't factor it in. In fact, my original statement implicitly admits OLine breakdown, i.e. "pressure." I have consistently stated that a bad OLine affects QB performance.
Your comment #2, yes, it was a very silly thing to say. If you would have bothered to understand where I was coming from before replying you would have seen that I said the same thing you admitted there. I think we've moved past our "impasse" and have come to an agreement. It only took 20,000 posts.
If our OLine stinks this year, and it might, then Goff is not going to be his 2018 self. I believe he could still be better than his 2019 self because he would have improved his game. If our OLine is studly this year, and it might, then I think Goff has a great chance to be his 2018 self, and maybe improve on that.
