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Zn,
I see two things:
#1) You cannot understand that I've consistently agreed with you on the importance of the OLine. The stats show that generally, a bad OL = poorer QB performance.
#2) You believe that Goff is incapable of any improvement, at least that is what your argument says to me. Here is where I disagree.
On #1, you say it, but you don't factor it in. Saying it but then not actually factoring it in doesn't count in my book,
On #2, not only is he capable of improvement, we've already seen it since he came into the league. So no I never said he's incapable of improvement. In fact that would be a silly thing to say. That's just how you keep
misconstruing what I AM saying.
But you shouldn't expect a qb to rise above a shaky OL situation like that, not to 2017/2018 levels. He actually got better last year when the OL solidified---which I demonstrated---though it didn't get back to 2017/2018 levels.
Of course Goff says he's working on his game. I would expect nothing less. He's taking responsibility for 2019 in the McVay mold, but while that's useful and good and what you expect from a leader, it's not an analytically factual description of what happened in 2019--something we will never get from Goff. Like McVay he will just take the heat. Regardless.
But his weakest games in 2019 were not the result of him regressing in a vacuum. His weakest stretch of games were a direct result of playing behind a shaky OL. You keep saying OLs that bad off are bad for the qb, but then you never factor it in--you say it but then instantly drop it and make it all about the qb. There are several reasons why qbs regress when their OLs become that shaky, and we've seen it throughout Rams history. The timing isn't there, the rhythm isn't there, the qb can't trust the OL and presses to make things happen or throws without the right rhythm and timing, the coach is compensating for the OL by changing up the normal playcalling. And so on. It's always a lot of things at once.
But when that OL finally settled down in the final games, and managed to become more stable in spite of playing 3 inexperienced injury replacements, Goff steadied too. (It also helped that McVay altered his attack to help the new OL). He did not climb back up to 2017/first half of 2018 levels, but yeah he steadied when the OL did. That was visible in the games and as I already showed the numbers back that.
Can he grow, change, improve as a result of working on his game in the wake of 2019? Sure. I pretty much expect that. But he's never going to be in a position where if the OL collapses, he can "rise above it." For the most part, except for rare exceptions we've named, OL collapses just tend to take the qb down with them.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 06/30/2020 11:05PM by zn.
