McVay saying he wants to give certain players ‘more work’ is getting old…

Re: what happened to the McVay/stafford that used to....

joram — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 23:57:09 -0400

I probably should have looked at the stats before making that statement it's just the overuse of puka and the total neglect of atwell that doesn't set well with me

40 time isn't everything boys

merlin — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 16:27:53 -0400

When we drafted Corum I expected him to end up being the bell cow in this offense for some of those reasons like the 40 but also his film at Michigan. But he hasn't really been able to play up to his speed though, as of yet, in this offense. And Williams has performed at the height of his ability, meaning he is still limited with what he can do when he gets a good seam. But he hits the hole so quickly, with authority, and has shown such good vision and quick decision making, that none of these other guys have been able to touch him on that depth chart.

Also of note is that I didn't want us to pay Williams. I wanted us to wait until after the season, because I am worried he will not be able to fix the fumbling problems. The reason is because his fumbles occur when he is fighting for extra yards. And fighting for yards is an instrumental part of his game.

Hunter is still a projection. We'll see.

Re: Excellent post. Instead of BS, I call it Coaching

merlin — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 16:18:31 -0400

All good points. :beercan

It's a bit of a trend with some newer members

merlin — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 16:16:52 -0400

They come in hot and want to make a name for themselves among the faithful. Then they get irritated when they don't get the respect they feel they deserve and act up by trying to challenge every little thing with "gotcha" posts. Many of them end up rolling out in a huff too.

I don't worry about those types. Some of them will settle down and be great contributors. Others won't. Those others don't matter to me, nor do the ones who are obviously headed that way.

By the way 43 and I usually see things eye to eye. I love his contributions and enjoy reading him. I just trust my eyes, right or wrong. And I gave up long ago listening to what McVay says. Also that doesn't mean I don't like McVay. He's the best coach in our history and I hope he's here for many more years.

:beercan

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:47:28 -0400

Heres the rest

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I said:

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So... if you're implying that the Rams only scored 14 points because McVay is playing the wrong players... yeah, not buying that.

Looks like a disagreement to me.

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Re: McVay is not above questioning

AvengerRam — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:42:07 -0400

I said:

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So... if you're implying that the Rams only scored 14 points because McVay is playing the wrong players... yeah, not buying that.

Looks like a disagreement to me.

yup

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:40:03 -0400

balanced and reasonable as usual!!

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That said, what does bother me is Parkinson getting a pass or any pass at all when we had complete control of the game, 1st and 10 inside 15 yardline with 4 minutes left. 3 runs by Kyren, Corum and/or Puka burn up 2 minutes or time outs and then, even assuming no TD, have an 8 point lead with 2 minutes with a Defense not giving up a TD in weeks.

Instead, while bad luck, we get parkinson coughing up the ball and a nailbiter to the end.

Hated that play call and also hated the QB sneak. Not necessary when you have a DAWG like Kyren at your disposal.

nobody asked you

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:39:06 -0400

to come in and start making sense of any of this dude :thumbsup

Excellent post. Instead of BS, I call it Coaching

stlramz — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:35:34 -0400

By taking ownership of everything in his control, he does insulate his players but also sets a standard by demanding that each player on the roster take ownership of what they control.

He's also smart enough to know not to give things away at a press conference.

The rams are a very intentional team. They have a plan, they execute it. They make mistakes along the way, but the do have a plan.

Another thing about the Rams, they are a tight nit organization:

1. What happened to Stetson Bennett?

2. What happened with Ernest Jones?

They are super tight lipped which is a sign of a well-run organization in my opinion.

Re: Doesn't bother me because of the winning . . .

six2stack — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:31:41 -0400

The way I look at it is in a positive way. The Rams have more depth this year and it's difficult for McVay to put all the right players on the active roster before a game. I bet he puts Ferguson on the active roster against the Titans, maybe Hunter too.

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:30:16 -0400

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No, I challenged 43's assertion that we scored only 14 points because McVay utilized the wrong players. That's not a straw man, that is exactly what he said:

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And yet here we are with an offense that scored 14 points against an admittedly good Texan defense.…I believe the above changes could and should be made immediately and the O will start to get better results right away.

And then he ended with:

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"Thoughts?"

I guess what he really meant was "Now tell me how much you agree with me!"

Did you tell him what you disagree with him or did you accuse him of knowing more than coach?

this shouldn't take you long...

ok we disagree

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:28:18 -0400

You can celebrate the win and appreciate it and still see things that you hope they improve on , which is what I think 43 was doing

I mean, if KW fumbles, I don't think our commenting on that would mean we appreciate a win any less

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That's what I did in my original reply... I simply said that wasn't exactly the type of game you want to get back ups and rookies playing time ...

it was a week one street fight that they ended up winning

I'm still mad that they didn't let Karty try a 56 yard FG, but it is what it is......

those questions would have been better if they had lost ...that is all

enjoy the win :beercan

Doesn't bother me because of the winning . . .

stlramz — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:24:52 -0400

That said, what does bother me is Parkinson getting a pass or any pass at all when we had complete control of the game, 1st and 10 inside 15 yardline with 4 minutes left. 3 runs by Kyren, Corum and/or Puka burn up 2 minutes or time outs and then, even assuming no TD, have an 8 point lead with 2 minutes with a Defense not giving up a TD in weeks.

Instead, while bad luck, we get parkinson coughing up the ball and a nailbiter to the end.

Hated that play call and also hated the QB sneak. Not necessary when you have a DAWG like Kyren at your disposal.

Re: McVay is not above questioning

AvengerRam — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:22:41 -0400

No, I challenged 43's assertion that we scored only 14 points because McVay utilized the wrong players. That's not a straw man, that is exactly what he said:

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And yet here we are with an offense that scored 14 points against an admittedly good Texan defense.…I believe the above changes could and should be made immediately and the O will start to get better results right away.

And then he ended with:

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"Thoughts?"

I guess what he really meant was "Now tell me how much you agree with me!"

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Rampage2k — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:20:06 -0400

that's what I did in my original reply... I simply said that wasn't exactly the type of game you want to get back ups and rookies playing time ...

it was a week one street fight that they ended up winning

I'm still mad that they didn't let Karty try a 56 yard FG, but it is what it is......

those questions would have been better if they had lost ...that is all

enjoy the win :beercan

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:16:48 -0400

No the strawman is you saying 43 thinks he knows more than McVay by questioning him and suggesting what he would like to see

Keep up

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That was never the point. That was the straw man.

Thanks.

Re: McVay is not above questioning

AvengerRam — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:14:33 -0400

That was never the point. That was the straw man.

Thanks.

absolutely CB!

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:13:15 -0400

And again, I don't even agree with everything 43 says in that post lol

I often don't agree with him on many things

But who doesn't know that 43 absolutely loves McVay and then attempts to change what hes saying to ... him knowing more than McVay. Just disagree with what he is saying rather than dismissing his point with a stawman argument

I mean, cmon... I just think we can do better than that... but hey, that's me

All good :spintounge

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:05:51 -0400

Here's the thing, Mark... you can question him without making things up about him knowing more than McVay. Have you ever heard 43 talk about McVay? He loves him... his take is not about him thinking he knows more than coach

You could also do what Merlin did below. Just sayin'

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talk about strawman ...

Oh well... the cliques and groupthink are crazy on this board

lol....cliques and groupthink?

sarcasm mixed with a bit of truth....

Think it was the late Buddy Ryan who said it best- "Once you start listening to the fans, you'll be up there sitting with them"

just as people have a right to question McVay, people have the right to question those people who do :beercan

But who is a bigger fan of McVay on this board than Ram43?

Coy Bacon — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:01:52 -0400

Speed, when I read your statement, I paused and thought about the question. I think there are a lot of folks here who support McVay, and are grateful that he took us out of the Fisher days. Then my mind went back to a set of posts from 43 from when McVay took over, and there was 43, predicting that we would make the playoffs! I thought to myself, "holy moly, is that guy deluded! Talk about rosy colored glasses!" I didn't post what I really thought because I didn't want to get in trouble. However, we all know the rest of the story.

So, yeah, at first blush, I'd have to say that 43 is his biggest fan on this board. Nobody had as much confidence in McVay and the team as 43 back when it really counted. I was very pessimistic back before McVay, now I'm fairly optimistic. Quite a shift.

Re: nice post merlin

AvengerRam — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:57:38 -0400

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But who is a bigger fan of McVay on this board than Ram43?

UkranianMom23 probably is.

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There is a pattern on this board where people go after other posters when they step out of line on the "groupthink."

So maybe you should stop doing that.

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The truth is, it was one game

Yep.

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Because it's normally the same ones who try to shut down opinions when they don't align with what they think.

That's great. Recoginizing the problem is half the battle. I wish you luck in suppressing your proclivities.

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Rampage2k — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:55:46 -0400

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talk about strawman ...

Oh well... the cliques and groupthink are crazy on this board

lol....cliques and groupthink?

sarcasm mixed with a bit of truth....

Think it was the late Buddy Ryan who said it best- "Once you start listening to the fans, you'll be up there sitting with them"

just as people have a right to question McVay, people have the right to question those people who do :beercan

Re: nice post merlin

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:51:34 -0400

Well thought out

43 is a big boy and can speak for himself (heck, I don't even agree with everything he says in the post)

But who is a bigger fan of McVay on this board than Ram43?

If he wants to question some inconsistencies in the way McVay is handling a few players so what? lol That means he thinks he knows better than McVay (goodness). The guy worships McVay

There is a pattern on this board where people go after other posters when they step out of line on the "groupthink."

Here's where I agree with 43... McVay not just from the podium but throughout this offseason and others often says he will address certain things but doesn't

So when KW (who anybody that reads me knows I like more than most) gets the vast majority of carries in a game in which Corum is healthy and Hunter doesn't even dress... well some people might say "hey, what's up". They said they were going to lighten KW's load

Also, when you give $10mil to Tutu Atwell and you say you will get the ball to him more and he has one target and one catch for 4 yards... uh yeah.. people might ask ok here we go again.

Or when you say you are gonna use the TE more and use 12 personnel and maybe you only do half of that in the first game

The truth is, it was one game, and we have a long way to go, but why do we have to act like when people say critical things about McVay, we have to shut them down

This is really the problem as I see it and why the thread may potentially go sideways. Because it's normally the same ones who try to shut down opinions when they don't align with what they think.

You're not like that, Albany is not like that, and there are a ton of people who aren't doing that... but there are others who do.

And yeah, it can rub the wrong way

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It’s quite a player list and growing:

Atwell
Corum
Hunter
Davis Allen
Ferguson

I could even add a few more that have earned snaps:

X-man
Whittington
Dedich
Dolac

And yet here we are with an offense that scored 14 points against an admittedly good Texan defense.

Here’s what I would like to see effective immediately:

Sit Limmer and start Dedich. If and when Limmer has developed decent pass pro skills then we can revisit this decision.

Sit Parkinson and play Davis Allen and/or Ferguson over him until further notice.

Give Corum more snaps to protect Kyren.

Activate Hunter and give him a handful of snaps. He just might open up our running attack with explosives. I mean, otherwise why in the hell did they trade up for him?

Either start one of Atwell, Whittington, or X-man in 11 sets and then TARGET them, dammit! McVay is gonna get Puka killed at this rate. Geez…

I believe the above changes could and should be made immediately and the O will start to get better results right away.

Thoughts?

McVay will never call a spade a spade. He will never say "X is struggling to execute what we want vs Y" or otherwise explain the rationale of the staff for what they do. Instead what he does is spin. He will tell you that it is on him to get this player or that player more involved, and he protects the fragile egos of his players.

But behind the scenes I guarantee the staff is telling these dudes where they're coming up short. And they work on those things, which is why McVay teams routinely finish the season at their strongest.

So if you want better results in watching McVay's podium moments, try completely disregarding everything he is saying. Because most of it is spin and BS meant to insulate his players. Use your eyes and read between the lines, by considering what happened on the field and realizing that he always protects his players.

Example of what I am talking about, let's take a look at the first five on your list:

Atwell did not stand out. In fact he continues to look like a guy who may have better players behind him on the depth chart. Yes he is fast. But none of that matters if the QB cannot see him or cannot hit him downfield. It is possible that we would be better served with more snaps for others in that room.

Corum is a slower and less active version of Williams. He is depth in this RB room. There is nothing he offers that Williams does not, which is why he will eventually be superseded by Hunter. Because Hunter does offer more in terms of explosiveness.

Hunter is not ready yet. I am sure he is coming along fine and working hard, but when he's ready he will replace Corum as RB2. And I know that, as alluded to above, because he offers things Corum does not.

Allen is a placeholder for Ferguson because while I appreciate his hands he is not instinctive in the pattern nor does he threaten the seams in the way the kid will if and when he is ready to play.

Ferguson we will see if and when he is ready. Probably got set back by the injury in camp. But TE is as we all know a tough position and some of these guys need a little time. The staff is undoubtedly trying to get him ready because of what he could potentially add over the middle. And make no mistake... A big weapon over the middle will get used like crazy by Stafford so there is room for impact given his talent level.

Re: I'm surprised you still haven't figured out that McVay is full of BS

AvengerRam — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:50:12 -0400

Because the stopwatches are made in China?

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:31:03 -0400

right thats it

It has nothing to do with knowing anything better than McVay

and the comment is from the guy who accused me of making a strawman argument (a logical fallacy where someone misrepresents an opponent's argument to make it easier to attack)

Re: McVay is not above questioning

Speed_Kills — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 13:29:00 -0400

talk about strawman ...

Oh well... the cliques and groupthink are crazy on this board

Re: I'm surprised you still haven't figured out that McVay is full of BS

Shecky — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 12:54:52 -0400

Didn't you know that combine 40-times are BS?

Re: McVay is not above questioning

kw13 — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 12:42:56 -0400

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"Knows best"? Not always.

Knows better than you? Certainly.

The point is McVay is not above questioning.

But thanks.

Re: I'm surprised you still haven't figured out that McVay is full of BS

AvengerRam — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 12:31:47 -0400

By what measure is Williams faster than Corum?

Combine 40 yard dash:

Williams: 4.65 (1.62 10 yd split)
Corum 4.53 (1.58 10 yd split)

Re: I'm surprised you still haven't figured out that McVay is full of BS

Rampage2k — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 12:19:22 -0400

Nailed it