Joshua Karty named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month/January/Wyatt Miller [www.therams.com]https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1146923#msg-1146923Tue, 09 Jun 2026 10:32:55 -0400 Phorum 5.2.18 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147372#msg-1147372 Re: Re:We've all seen the tapehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147372#msg-1147372
A good holder can (and should!) adjust to a bad snap. He should catch a ball that is off target or that arrives with the laces facing the wrong direction, make the necessary adjustment(s), and get the ball on spot, on time, correct launch angle, with the laces facing the goal posts.

If any of that goes wrong - let's say, for example, the ball is placed with the laces facing directly left instead of directly at the goal post (as happened with at least one of Karty's misses this year) - I don't think there's a damn thing a kicker can do to adjust.

That ball is going to hook way left (which is what happened on that kick I mentioned) and the adjustment would be to change his planned trajectory in mid leg-swing to aim 20 yards to the right of the right upright to account for the hook that is guaranteed to happen. Considering that he's already into his leg swing as the ball is being placed it seems totally unrealistic for a kicker to take lace placement into account before making contact with the ball.

"Total operation time refers to the time it takes for the center to snap the ball, the holder to put it down and the kicker to get the ball kicked. The total operation time from snap to kick should not exceed 1.3 seconds." [www.espn.com] (I know BerendsenRam posted Meador's comment saying 2.1 seconds. That was 60 years ago. They've gotten better.)

How much time does a kicker have between when the ball is placed and when his foot hit's it? If it's more than a tenth of a second I would be surprised.

How much time does a receiver have to adjust to a poor throw?

IMO this is not even apples to oranges. This is apples to elephants territory.]]> AlbaNY_Ram RamsFootballFans.comSun, 12 Jan 2025 10:16:28 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147370#msg-1147370 Re: Re:We've all seen the tapehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147370#msg-1147370
Can a great kicker overcome bad circumstances like bad snap, less than optimal hold, the way players at other positions can? Like a great WR can adjust to a poorly thrown ball and still make a terrific catch.

I remember the first thing I heard on Greg Zuerlein's great FG was Joe Buck saying, "Bad snap!"

How much, if anything, can the kicker manage what is going on around him?]]> Classicalwit RamsFootballFans.comSun, 12 Jan 2025 09:24:10 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147344#msg-1147344 Re: Re:We've all seen the tapehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147344#msg-1147344 BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comSun, 12 Jan 2025 04:17:35 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147267#msg-1147267 This Karty comment from Grisak back in November re; missed kicks...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147267#msg-1147267link

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]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comSat, 11 Jan 2025 13:53:45 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147261#msg-1147261 Re:We've all seen the tapehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147261#msg-1147261
When Karty gets a good hold, he makes the kick.

You saw two (and so did I) where the laces weren't straight. I think we both saw one where the hold didn't seem to go down on spot, his plant foot slipped (turf condition or hold) and he missed the kick. I saw a couple where the ball angles we off, and he missed the kicks.

I don't recall which of those kicks were FG's or XP's - but I do recall looking at the number and posting that the percentage of mises were about the same before the last couple of games, regardless of range, XP or FG. The numbers, when combined with what we could see of the holds, indicated that the problem wasn't Karty.

Evans' improved holds toward the end of the season parallels Karty's "sudden improvement," or "getting over the rookie jitters," or whatever wrong reason is unfairly applied to his misses. At least now an increasing number are seeing what the coaches already knew and McVay revealed publicly: There were things behind the scenes that Karty had to deal with and they never lost confidence in him. As fans we should take our cue from that: neither should we.]]> mtramfan RamsFootballFans.comSat, 11 Jan 2025 13:05:31 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147242#msg-1147242 Re: (K) Karty named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month: Yephttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147242#msg-1147242
If Karty had just made two more FGs he'd have a slightly better percentage than Bates, and I know for sure that the laces weren't lined up correctly on at least 2 of his attempts.]]> AlbaNY_Ram RamsFootballFans.comSat, 11 Jan 2025 09:52:54 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147240#msg-1147240 Or...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147240#msg-1147240
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BerendsenRam
The Young man should be our Rams Kicker for the long haul! GO RAMS!

Or at least until his next slump! Let him miss a few key FG's or XP's and the crowd might turn on him again! lol

That's how it works with kickers. As long as they are making the kicks, everything is cool. When they start to slump and miss some big kicks they get released and then signed by another team where they always seem to rebound and make big kicks again! lol

Fans just don't have a lot of patience with kickers and punters like they do other positions, imo.

I like Karty. Great attitude. Great talent. I am rooting for him! I hope he stays a Ram for a long time. :beercan]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comSat, 11 Jan 2025 08:15:58 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147239#msg-1147239 Yep. The younger the player, the more ups and downs.https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147239#msg-1147239
That is why sometimes it can work better to have a lesser talented, but very steady, vet instead of a mercurial rookie or 2nd year guy.

You just never know except in hindsight.]]> RockRam RamsFootballFans.comSat, 11 Jan 2025 07:33:22 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147215#msg-1147215 Re: Joshua Karty as a first rate guyhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147215#msg-1147215 BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comSat, 11 Jan 2025 04:04:01 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147201#msg-1147201 Re: Joshua Karty as a first rate guyhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147201#msg-1147201 mtramfan RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 22:46:57 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147191#msg-1147191 Conversley some annoint rookies as terrifichttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147191#msg-1147191
takes 3 years ideally to judge most middle of the raod rookies......

I get Donald, Kupp, Verse, etc can be exception.....]]> ferragamo79 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 21:58:34 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147190#msg-1147190 Re: Joshua Karty named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month/January/Wyatt Millerhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147190#msg-1147190 Classicalwit RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 21:44:15 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147173#msg-1147173 Re: Gotta say: it sure gets old that the same crowd quickly judges rookieshttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147173#msg-1147173 BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 19:20:16 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147120#msg-1147120 (K) Karty named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month: Yephttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147120#msg-1147120
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I had some rookie jitters about Karty but I'm not one of those knee jerk reaction posters that got paranoid and freaked out because the Rams didn't get the the most popular wanted kicker F/A signing that the Lions signed (Jake Bates) who is by all means a stud kicker.

I'm all in the Karty Party but Bates has had a better season and I wanted the Rams to sign him like all of those that did prior to the start of the season.

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Jun 15, 2024, 10:23 AM ET

The Detroit Lions signed big-footed UFL kicker Jake Bates to a two-year contract, his agent, Marty Magid, told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Bates received a $1.98 million deal that includes $150,000 guaranteed and a $100,000 signing bonus, Magid told Schefter on Tuesday.

The Detroit Lions signed big-footed UFL kicker Jake Bates to a two-year contract, his agent, Marty Magid, told ESPN's Adam Schefter.

Bates received a $1.98 million deal that includes $150,000 guaranteed and a $100,000 signing bonus, Magid told Schefter on Tuesday.

Bates, 24, ranked second in the UFL this season with 17 field goals for the Michigan Panthers. That includes a 64-yard game-winning kick in the season opener against the St. Louis Battlehawks -- just two yards less than Justin Tucker's NFL record of 66.

That kick was Bates' first in a game, as the former soccer player didn't turn to football until he was a senior in high school and was a kickoff specialist in college at Texas State and Arkansas.

Bates, 24, ranked second in the UFL this season with 17 field goals for the Michigan Panthers. That includes a 64-yard game-winning kick in the season opener against the St. Louis Battlehawks -- just two yards less than Justin Tucker's NFL record of 66.

That kick was Bates' first in a game, as the former soccer player didn't turn to football until he was a senior in high school and was a kickoff specialist in college at Texas State and Arkansas.

Top Field Goal Kickers of 2024

1. Nick Folk TN 21 of 22
2. Brandon McManus GB 20 of 21
3. Chase McLaughlin TB 30 of 32
4. Chris Boswell PIT 41 of 44
5. Cam Little JAX 27 of 29

6. Cameron Dicker LAC 39 of 42
7. Wil Lutz DEN 31 of 34
8. Jason Sanders MIA 37 of 41
9. Austin Seibert WSH 27 of 30
10. Jake Bates DET 26 of 29

11. Chad Ryland ARI 28 of 32
12. Blake Grupe NO 27 of 31
13. Jason Myers SEA 26 of 30
14. Ka'imi Fairbairn HOU 36 of 42
15. Joshua Karty LAR 29 of 34


]]> Florida_Ram RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 15:07:43 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147072#msg-1147072 The thing that gets old to me...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147072#msg-1147072 L.A.Rams RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 10:52:46 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147064#msg-1147064 Re: Gotta say: it sure gets old that the same crowd quickly judges rookieshttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147064#msg-1147064
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It wasn't but a month ago that Snead was being hammered for drafting Karty who was inconsistent.
Now, suddenly, it was another brilliant move.

It is the same crowd that gives a rookie about 8 games to be fully developed and playing like a good vet before they declare failure. Heck, AD didn't start off as a killer of O's, either.

And, we need to remember that historically while a rookie can have a better than average first year, that isn't the whole story, either. It takes a couple of years at least to know what we really have.... in general.

I'm pretty impressed with the patience McVay shows in the development of players. It seems to be paying off long term.

I get your larger point, Rock.

Still, it’s gratifying to see Ram rookies excelling relative to their counterparts on other teams. That’s an apples-to-apples comparison even though it’s been only one year sample size.

Sometimes, even in their rookie year you just ‘know’.

Snead/McVay have obviously had back to back outstanding draft classes and their UDFA’s haven’t been shabby, either.]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 10:15:50 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147039#msg-1147039 I usually dont judge early but I did this timehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147039#msg-1147039 Hazlet Hacksaw RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 07:25:27 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147031#msg-1147031 Gotta say: it sure gets old that the same crowd quickly judges rookieshttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147031#msg-1147031Now, suddenly, it was another brilliant move.

It is the same crowd that gives a rookie about 8 games to be fully developed and playing like a good vet before they declare failure. Heck, AD didn't start off as a killer of O's, either.

And, we need to remember that historically while a rookie can have a better than average first year, that isn't the whole story, either. It takes a couple of years at least to know what we really have.... in general.

I'm pretty impressed with the patience McVay shows in the development of players. It seems to be paying off long term.]]> RockRam RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 06:29:55 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147012#msg-1147012 Another Great Draft !https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1147012#msg-1147012 BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comFri, 10 Jan 2025 04:59:56 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1146924#msg-1146924 Re: Joshua Karty named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month/January/Wyatt Millerhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1146924#msg-1146924 mtramfan RamsFootballFans.comThu, 09 Jan 2025 14:00:58 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1146923#msg-1146923 Joshua Karty named NFC Special Teams Player of the Month/January/Wyatt Millerhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1146923,1146923#msg-1146923www.therams.com]]]> BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comThu, 09 Jan 2025 13:56:50 -0500