A few thoughts after sleeping on it… Hard to watch, huh? A reality check much like getting splashed by a face full of ice water. So many things and players that I thought were solid and above proved not to be when faced by a top team. Very sobering. All 3 Ram phases were abused before a national audience. 93 touched on it when he said that Rams can compete well against other mediocre teams, but crumple like aluminum foil against the top teams. Fools gold, IOW. Rams have some soul searching to do and must make some very tough decisions next offseason if they hope to once again be among top NFC teams. Such as: Are Rams good enough at RB? Kyren has now officially got a fumbling problem and yet Corum scarcely ever sees the field. Time to invest in an OT? Hav is getting older and already missing far too many games. McClendon isn’t the answer, not yet, anyway. Our TE corps isn’t producing like it should. Not up to league norms, anyway. Is it talent deficit or a McVay playcalling issue? I think this is one big missed opportunity area. Might be time to trade Kupp. Yeah, I love him, too, but he’s not the same threat anymore and he’s gobbling up 30M in salary these days. That’s money that’s needed elsewhere. Bringing in a WR looks like it should be a high offseason priority. Snead has proven that he can find them, sooooo… Bringing in a top boundary CB is now critical if we want Shula’s D to evolve. Maybe two CB’s, dammit! I think Safety will be okay IF Snead can bring in a couple of top CB’s next offseason via FA or draft. Karty is disintegrating right before our eyes. I didn’t see this coming. Didn’t matter so much in this blowout game, but in normal games a reliable kicker can turn losses into wins. Sigh… Even Ethan Evans had a bad night, not that I think he needs replacement. But the poor play on this team last night was contagious, it seems. I’m not sure that Stafford will be able to play long enough to see Rams fix all these things. Somehow or some way Snead needs to get Stafford’s eventual replacement on this roster. McVay needs to look in the mirror, too. He is the HC after all. Team fell apart and I didn’t see adjustments of any kind. Rams O is getting 80% of cap dollars and turning in mediocre results almost every week. Should McVay turn over play calling duties to LaFleur? Is it smart to continue using 11-personnel so heavily, especially when opposing D’s seem to have figured out how to choke it? Maybe take another look at his RB profile philosophy? These are just some of the questions I think McVay should be asking himself. Let’s face it, at least 3 NFC teams alone have passed Rams by and are continuing to pull away: Lions Eagles Packers And there are several others nipping at our heels, as well. And don’t get me started with the AFC top teams. My point being, where has that ‘McVay magic’ gone? I no longer much care if Rams make the playoffs, tbh. I think that they should focus on developing their youngsters as best they can, McVay should strongly consider fundamental changes in his philosophies about playcalling, TE usage, etc. And Snead/McVay should be laying aggressive plans to upgrade this roster come next offseason. NOTHING should be off the table if they hope to catch up with those 3 top NFC teams. Thoughts?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135242#msg-1135242Sun, 09 Aug 2026 12:13:28 -0400 Phorum 5.2.18 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135993#msg-1135993 Re: I have a theory on McVayhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135993#msg-1135993
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McVay needs to look in the mirror, too. He is the HC after all. Team fell apart and I didn’t see adjustments of any kind. Rams O is getting 80% of cap dollars and turning in mediocre results almost every week. Should McVay turn over play calling duties to LaFleur? Is it smart to continue using 11-personnel so heavily, especially when opposing D’s seem to have figured out how to choke it? Maybe take another look at his RB profile philosophy? These are just some of the questions I think McVay should be asking himself.

So, by late father played halfback in the single wing offense at Pitt in the early '50's. It was always his opinion that your could run the single-wing in the NFL, that it was unstoppable, if everyone executed like they were supposed to.

Now I'm not so sure about running the single-wing in the NFL, I do think there are certain coaches who subscribe to the philosophy that you can have success running the same offeense over & over and it's unstoppable assuming the players execute it. I suspect that McVay is one of those guys. I suspect that he feels that if his 11-personel is run to perfection you don't need to make adjustments. Practice a pattern until the QB knows where his receiver is 100% of the time. And this why it works with elite route runners and students of teh game like Kupp & Puka or Woods, and why it doesn't with other players. That's why certain receivers aren't seeing the field, or get traded after one year, or why TE's aren't being targeted or why QB's just aren't catching on (or get traded). In theory it makes sense. Coach, QB & recievers all on the same page. When it works, it works. On the downside it really limits the pool of players who can run your offense and leaves you little flexibility when the defense has your number.

While I'm sure much of this is true with all coaches (who wants player who can't run your offense?) Some coaches will adject to the players strength. McVay seems more "Learn the offense or leave".

Just a thought.

I’m going to earmark this post, 3030. I think you pinpointed McVay’s MO. You can compare the perfection required of the single wing to Lombardi’s perfection requirements of the power sweep.

Didn’t McVay run a single wing high school?]]> Ekern55 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 29 Nov 2024 14:07:06 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135909#msg-1135909 It is nothing newhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135909#msg-1135909
It really is as simple as that.

I would not overreact to Kyren's fumbles.

our WRs are great. Our QB is great.

TEs do need to be used better, but we also have been without Higbee our TE1. Then again we have seen Higbee have monster games but usually he does little more than blocking so it seems like scheme and play calling to me with the TEs.

Defense has been a pleasant surprise and is still growing. Our young D Line is exciting. Our refusal to invest in LB always seems to be our defensive weak spot. With that said the defense is holding up their end of the bargain for sure.

O Line investment was more than ever and we hit another run of injuries. However those injuries mean we found our center, and now have three top starting guards we are paying.]]> headslapper RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 17:24:13 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135892#msg-1135892 Well, I posted an article today that researched Snead’s FA track record going back to 2012…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135892#msg-1135892
This year was an outlier.]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 14:37:20 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135891#msg-1135891 Re: Value ?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135891#msg-1135891
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This is where I get irked

I can give all the points to why you keep our legendary WR.
It's when they decide the trade value, that the club is going to fail me.

Unlike so many FAs, that end up not gelling within their new club, Cooper is +++
He'll be a highlight no matter where he lands.
And that's where the negotiating has not favored us.

As missing the playoffs this year grows imminently larger, the decisions by the club about their 2025-2026 roster also grows, as well.
Here's hoping that they can figure out the winning solution without slicing off the best of what they have......

The biggest incentive for Rams is in future cap savings, leaf.

What could Snead accomplish with future cap room?

considering his recent track record with FA signings....i shutter to think :confused]]> Rampage2k RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 14:31:05 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135886#msg-1135886 I've had that experience in STL a couple of timeshttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135886#msg-1135886
In town for Herdfest and Signman's epic tailgate. That was the high point of the day by a mile.

I was sitting next to a couple of guys in Packers gear. The stadium was seemingly 1/3 Packers fans or more and they were loud. The guys next to me were friendly and fortunately sympathetic as well.

Not nationally televised but still it was awful.

Not much more the Rams can do. It's evident the area doesn't care. They were gone long enough to kill the fanbase IMO.]]> LesBaker RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 14:10:21 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135866#msg-1135866 Re: Value ?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135866#msg-1135866
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This is where I get irked

I can give all the points to why you keep our legendary WR.
It's when they decide the trade value, that the club is going to fail me.

Unlike so many FAs, that end up not gelling within their new club, Cooper is +++
He'll be a highlight no matter where he lands.
And that's where the negotiating has not favored us.

As missing the playoffs this year grows imminently larger, the decisions by the club about their 2025-2026 roster also grows, as well.
Here's hoping that they can figure out the winning solution without slicing off the best of what they have......

The biggest incentive for Rams is in future cap savings, leaf.

What could Snead accomplish with future cap room?]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 13:24:20 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135854#msg-1135854 Re: Two things…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135854#msg-1135854
Kupp can be the WR that moves the chains....Still be the red zone threat.

Put it this way, Kupp or Tutu.....Pick one.....No brainer correct?]]> oldschoolramfan RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 11:39:31 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135852#msg-1135852 Re: Value ?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135852#msg-1135852
I can give all the points to why you keep our legendary WR.
It's when they decide the trade value, that the club is going to fail me.

Unlike so many FAs, that end up not gelling within their new club, Cooper is +++
He'll be a highlight no matter where he lands.
And that's where the negotiating has not favored us.

As missing the playoffs this year grows imminently larger, the decisions by the club about their 2025-2026 roster also grows, as well.
Here's hoping that they can figure out the winning solution without slicing off the best of what they have......]]> leafnose RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 11:04:03 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135833#msg-1135833 Re: A few thoughts ..... WHAT!? No WR?? Stop the press!!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135833#msg-1135833
But-- we need a dynamic WR as a top 2 or 3 off season priority!!

Rams have the lowest number of chunk plays in the league! Not a winning statistic. HAS TO BE FIXED!!

My view, for the Rams first round pick -- book it -- dynamic WR is a sure bet, AND a (mid round pick) back with speed (who can be part of the rotation next year) are BADLY needed.

And agree with 43, a weapon at TE is needed.]]> nantucketramfan RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 08:04:00 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135813#msg-1135813 Re: Dude, love your posts. Keep ramblinig! lolhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135813#msg-1135813 BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 04:16:25 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135811#msg-1135811 Thanks!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135811#msg-1135811
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I think that this discussion is quite interesting. Let me share my thoughts:

1. McVay, while everybody and anybody can always improve, is the best coach the Rams have had so far. Our team is usually competitive, at the very least. We've gone to the playoffs fairly consistently except when we've had back luck with injuries like in 22. We've gone to the Superbowl twice already and won one of those. So, for me, I'm very thankful for McVay.
2. Although I also like KW, he will never be a real game changer. Besides his recent fumbling issues, he's just doesn't have the game breaking speed that, like for example Saquon has. And, as many people have already pointed out, Blake Corum is basically the same back as KW. I think we have this type of back only because we have not had the draft capital or the team cap available to get a game changing back. These kind of backs don't come around very often so they are not cheap if they are a free agent, or you need a first round pick. Another point I'd like to make is that if you have a good passing game with a very good running back, it really puts the defense in a "pick your poison" type of situation. I saw it somewhere but KW faces the least stacked box defenses of most starting running backs. This means that defenses don't fear him and it also means that the defense has one more defender for the passing game to use against us.
3. I think many people overlook the OL injuries. Like I put in another post, I've only watched the first half so far but 2 of the 3 sacks on Stafford in the first half were because McClendan.
4. I think most of the dink and dunk is because of item #2 and #3 above. The defense can play more guys defending the pass so it makes deeper shots more difficult. And, Stafford doesn't have enough time to do so many deep shots anyway. He'd be creamed if he has to wait for long developing routes.

I hope I haven't rambled too much.

Nice very well thought out post Singapore Ram and I happen to agree with all of it. I really can't add anything since I see it pretty much the same way. lol

Keep on Rambling Singapore Ram! :beercan

I'll ramble on then!]]> Singapore Ram RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 00:09:17 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135810#msg-1135810 Re: I think it is time . . . split the carries - Corum and Kyrenhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135810#msg-1135810
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Thank you for your comments Singapore.

I hope what you state about Corum/Kyren turns out not to be true.

"Blake Corum is basically the same back as KW"

Watching a few clips of Corum this year, I think he runs better than Kyren.
His feet/cuts are quicker and more sudden.
The last series against Arizona when everyone knew he was getting the ball every down, was impressive.
I sure want to see him in the game more often.

Don't get me wrong, Kyren is good with a desire/heart above most RBs and love his story, but . . .

We may have the "game changer" you speak of on the roster, he just may need a chance to prove it.

Thanks for the positive feedback. Well, I can certainly say that I'm all for seeing what Corum can do!]]> Singapore Ram RamsFootballFans.comThu, 28 Nov 2024 00:08:11 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135801#msg-1135801 Re: Two things…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135801#msg-1135801
But several things are undeniable, if we’re being honest.

Kupp is on the back 9 at this stage of his career.
Kupp has been increasingly unable to stay healthy when we need him most.
Kupp’s salary is sky high and is hampering Snead’s ability to make moves.
Quality WR’s are there in every draft if Snead can only find another one.

Rams just might be able to plug remaining ‘holes’ in their lineup if they have another good draft preceded by a good FA period.

So the Kupp decision probably comes in 2025 or 2026. Better to make the inevitable decision sooner is a core Snead philosophy. Just sayin’.]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 20:36:32 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135759#msg-1135759 Re: Two things…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135759#msg-1135759
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1. A proposed Kupp trade would be mostly a salary dump agenda. Much like the Jalen Ramsey trade. Don’t look now, but Kupp has already been replaced as #1 WR.

2. Just imagine what Snead could do with picks and additional cap dollars at his disposal next offseason.

Other teams are finding quality WR’s every year, including Snead with Puka just 2 offseasons ago. Let’s give him a chance to find another for just a fraction of the cost of a Kupp.

Another thing. Alyo claims that this is a stellar TE class and I fully expect Snead to bring in a stud TE weapon. If so, McVay/Stafford would have another scary offensive weapon to add to the arsenal, lessening the loss of Kupp.

Who knows? Maybe McVay will even try halfback screens next year, too. Wow. A more balanced passing attack. What a concept!


I think you are undervaluing Kupp a bit.... If you remember correctly we didn't get much for Ramsey as you seldom do in salary dump trades and everyone freaks out about Snead gettiing ripped off.

McVay was visibly upset a few weeks ago with the idiot reporter who falsly claimed that the Rams were calling people about trading Kupp this year. He is the type of player who would restructure a deal if asked to stay in LA and finish his career with Stafford. If the Rams plan on keeping Stafford, they will most definitely keep Kupp.

Ask Puka how valuble Kupp was to his career.... Kupp has much more value than just his route running and catching passes in the clutch]]> Rampage2k RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 16:14:57 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135744#msg-1135744 Re:Snead and McVayhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135744#msg-1135744
Let's ask ourselves: What if... Snead drafted the players HE wanted in opposition to what McVay wanted? How would McVay respond? I think he'd go nuts.

After their "chance" seaside meeting on "vacation" in Mexico, McVay tols Snead, "I want Stafford!" Snead got him. Result: Super Bowl. McVay wanted Henderson and that other guy who had a difference, it turned out, with the head coach's philosophy and refused to perform. Snead got them. Then McVay wanted two more running backs that fit his mold. Snead got them. Snead has to bend and stgretch to collaborate with McVay, who is headstrong, impulsive and perseveraying at the same time, and with a certain mental acuity and recall that is off the charts.

When it works it works.

Snead had to phrase his statements to McVay during this last draft to "engineer" McVay's rhetorical agreement to getting Verse and Fiske. I broke it down at the time.

As McVay learns to trust and delegate instead of control, (and that's a slow process for people like him,) and hold lightly where he should instead of hanging on, he'll soar to new heights in his role as head coach offensive playcaller game manager personnel administrator public relations spokesman defacto chef executive and cheerleader.

He'll come to understand, over time, that while he can do it all, his organization does better when he focuses on what he does best, and delegates bits and pieces of the rest.]]> mtramfan RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 14:24:02 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135739#msg-1135739 Two things…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135739#msg-1135739
2. Just imagine what Snead could do with picks and additional cap dollars at his disposal next offseason.

Other teams are finding quality WR’s every year, including Snead with Puka just 2 offseasons ago. Let’s give him a chance to find another for just a fraction of the cost of a Kupp.

Another thing. Alyo claims that this is a stellar TE class and I fully expect Snead to bring in a stud TE weapon. If so, McVay/Stafford would have another scary offensive weapon to add to the arsenal, lessening the loss of Kupp.

Who knows? Maybe McVay will even try halfback screens next year, too. Wow. A more balanced passing attack. What a concept!]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 13:49:38 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135735#msg-1135735 Re: No on trading Cooper….agree 100.....Agree!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135735#msg-1135735
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Kupp is to good to just put him out to pasture.

Here's my thought....He's our Julian Edleman....He's our Les Welker.....He's our underneath the coverage mismatch and our short yardage guru to keep the sticks moving. He can do just that for the next 3-4 years and the Rams can go get other WR's to fill in on the deep routes and pushing the defense deep so Kupp can have plenty of room to operate.

He's still a red zone master as well.....May have lost a little on the fastball speed, but until he say's it's time to hang em' up like Aaron Donald, he's a Ram.

Sorry, oldschool.

But it’s just not realistic to expect 3-4 more years of Kupp. Not at anywhere near his peak level, anyway.

Snead has found a Puka and a Whittington, and he will find us another starter at WR that will cost a helluva lot less than Kupp.

Gotta look at the long term Big Picture here.]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 13:21:22 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135734#msg-1135734 Re: No on trading Cooper….agree 100https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135734#msg-1135734
I know that Kupp is a sacred cow. Heck, I love him, too.

But his play is in decline and he’s suffering more and more injuries while his $30M contract handcuffs Snead to make needed moves. Those 3 things are undeniable if one is objective.

The handwriting is on the wall. The only question is when it’s in Rams best interest to part ways with Kupp, not if.

All beloved players at some point must leave the Rams. It’s just the nature of the beast. We’ve survived losing AD and we’ll survive losing Kupp.

Frankly, the clock is ticking on Stafford and Hav, too.

Sorry.]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 13:16:00 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135732#msg-1135732 Re: A few thoughts after sleeping on it…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135732#msg-1135732
On the one hand I can understand why Snead wants to keep McVay happy. After all, he’s gotten Rams to 2 SB’s and also was waffling about whether to continue as HC when the networks beckoned.

OTOH, it seems that at times SOMEONE has to intervene when McVay gets ‘impetuous’. Sigh…

Kind of a rock and a hard place thing for Snead, don’t you think?]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 13:03:41 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135727#msg-1135727 Re: No on trading Cooper….agree 100.....Agree!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135727#msg-1135727
Here's my thought....He's our Julian Edleman....He's our Les Welker.....He's our underneath the coverage mismatch and our short yardage guru to keep the sticks moving. He can do just that for the next 3-4 years and the Rams can go get other WR's to fill in on the deep routes and pushing the defense deep so Kupp can have plenty of room to operate.

He's still a red zone master as well.....May have lost a little on the fastball speed, but until he say's it's time to hang em' up like Aaron Donald, he's a Ram.]]> oldschoolramfan RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 12:49:14 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135726#msg-1135726 Re: No on trading Cooper….agree 100https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135726#msg-1135726
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There's some players that have such exceptional talent that their value eclipses their trade value

Add that the club has not won the trade value for any trade they've made for outgoing players.

Cooper is a football scholar, and his hands are superlatives I can not find words anymore to articulate.

In the last draft, one that admittedly may go down as the best EVER at WR, the Rams slid right by their own chance to select a high grade option for future without Cooper

It just feels as if decide to move on from Cooper that the team is looking at an entirely new generation of roster.
I would think it's signaling, too, that Sean's own tenure is shortened.
2-3 years max.

Agree, I don’t see what running one of our best players and leaders out of town does for us?

He has still shown this year to be one of the better receivers in the league and was rated as a top 10 WR by PFF heading into 2024….you don’t just bail on a guy like Kupp who has done so much for this organization not to mention having one of the greatest seasons by a WR in the history of the league not too long ago

Restructure his deal if need be, but you don’t just run a dude like that out of town]]> Rampage2k RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 12:39:33 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135724#msg-1135724 Re: I have a theory on McVayhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135724#msg-1135724
I'd say that a superior coach, like a superior manager, fields his team's strengths while slowly developing the weaknesses and turning them into competence instead of letting them remain weak.]]> Coy Bacon RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 11:57:18 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135723#msg-1135723 RamfaninPAhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135723#msg-1135723
I miss Philly soft pretzels more than any other food! I grew up eating them.]]> Coy Bacon RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 11:53:29 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135722#msg-1135722 Re: A few thoughts after sleeping on it…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135722#msg-1135722
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Couple of disagreements.
2. The Jones trade has McVay’s fingerprints all over it. So I think it’s unfair to blame Snead for that fubar.

That's the unanswered question to me. I've been blaming Snead for most of the personnel fubars over the last few seasons. You could be correct in that the fault is actually McVay's. We on the outside don't know.

But at this point in time it's fairly clear that our FO, which includes Snead and McVay, has consistently made bad trades and mishandled personnel problems. I hope that Stan K. and others in top management can see this. It needs to be fixed. If the problem is actually McVay, then Snead is too weak a personality to check him, and someone stronger and better needs to be brought in to check McVay's bad tendencies there. If the problem is actually Snead, then someone better needs to be brought in. Either way, there's room for improvement in Snead's shoes.]]> Coy Bacon RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 11:48:24 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135698#msg-1135698 Re: A few thoughts after sleeping on it…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135698#msg-1135698
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I know many get upset with McVay. Of course, he is not perfect. But, I feel he is getting as much out of this team as possible. I feel the overall talent on the Rams is overrated imho. McVay is limited offensively, why? OL play, they simply cannot protect Stafford. People want RB's in the pass game, they can't, Williams must pickup pass rushers constantly. Why isn't Corum getting touches? He is not near as good as Williams in pass pro. Throw to the TE, they need them to help in pass protection too much. The lack of 1st round picks is coming to roost. When you look at the Rams starting 22 and the Eagles starting 22, what Rams would the Eagles take? Puka over Dovante Smith? Verse? The Rams talent is simply not good enough to compete with the upper echelon teams. The Eagles were simply, bigger, faster, and stronger than the Rams plain and simple. Who acquires the talent Les Snead? Giving away players like Earnest Jones for peanuts, then the Titans get what a 4th? Rams have no player on the roster at the position near as good!! Snead has had many sub par trades. I could go on, but the fact remains the Rams talent is just mediocre at best. I know MANY Eagle fans personally who would take McVay in heartbeat over Sirianni!!!!

Couple of disagreements.

1. I don’t think McVay is actually getting as much out of this team as possible. The head scratchers have been discussed elsewhere.

2. The Jones trade has McVay’s fingerprints all over it. So I think it’s unfair to blame Snead for that fubar.]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 08:33:48 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135695#msg-1135695 Re: A few thoughts after sleeping on it…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135695#msg-1135695 RamFanInPA RamsFootballFans.comWed, 27 Nov 2024 06:54:25 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135515#msg-1135515 Verse almost ran down Barkley on that long TD!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135515#msg-1135515
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On McVay magic, it is my opinion he is a great leader of a club house, and he is a great play designer, I do not feel he is a great play caller.

If we did not have Stafford the Rams would look a lot worse

I do not like our line coach, we need someone to push for more physical practices. We have spent a lot of money on this line and to me they look like they do not practice more importantly hit.

Our D is coming a long

We have 0 explosive players, no RB, WR, TE, DB or LB scare anybody with the physical prowess. We are slow and methodical (Verse is our most dominating athlete)

Agreed, we look like a very slow team Stafford9. Verse might be our most "explosive" player on the team! Verse almost ran down Barkley on that long TD! He certainly outran some of our DB's! lol

We need more Speed! :beercan]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comTue, 26 Nov 2024 10:27:13 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135514#msg-1135514 totally agreehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135514#msg-1135514
If we did not have Stafford the Rams would look a lot worse

I do not like our line coach, we need someone to push for more physical practices. We have spent a lot of money on this line and to me they look like they do not practice more importantly hit.

Our D is coming a long

We have 0 explosive players, no RB, WR, TE, DB or LB scare anybody with the physical prowess. We are slow and methodical (Verse is our most dominating athlete)]]> Stafford9 RamsFootballFans.comTue, 26 Nov 2024 10:24:11 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135501#msg-1135501 yup it was brutal 43https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135501#msg-1135501
I mean to lose like that but just have the opposing teams fans be louder and outnumber Ram fans like that. It was humiliating for me and I didn't even play the game

re the game

you nailed abused... in front of a national audience. I mean, just embarrassed

I know you are always glass half full so I will just let it go there

I don't know how season ticket holders can go through that kind of experience every time the Rams play a huge fanbase team .... I mean you have no idea how bad it is to be there in person when they get whipped like that and the Ram fans in attendance leave in the 3rd Q

And I agree on Stafford.... my guess is he hangs it up. However, if I could get a 2025 first-round pick for him I would trade him for sure. Not only do they need to get younger but they have to get stars players that can fill those seats with people rooting for the Rams

I'm telling you guys the Rams have a tall order in this market!!




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Hard to watch, huh? A reality check much like getting splashed by a face full of ice water.

So many things and players that I thought were solid and above proved not to be when faced by a top team. Very sobering.

All 3 Ram phases were abused before a national audience.

93 touched on it when he said that Rams can compete well against other mediocre teams, but crumple like aluminum foil against the top teams. Fools gold, IOW.

Rams have some soul searching to do and must make some very tough decisions next offseason if they hope to once again be among top NFC teams. Such as:

Are Rams good enough at RB? Kyren has now officially got a fumbling problem and yet Corum scarcely ever sees the field.

Time to invest in an OT? Hav is getting older and already missing far too many games. McClendon isn’t the answer, not yet, anyway.

Our TE corps isn’t producing like it should. Not up to league norms, anyway. Is it talent deficit or a McVay playcalling issue? I think this is one big missed opportunity area.

Might be time to trade Kupp. Yeah, I love him, too, but he’s not the same threat anymore and he’s gobbling up 30M in salary these days. That’s money that’s needed elsewhere.

Bringing in a WR looks like it should be a high offseason priority. Snead has proven that he can find them, sooooo…

Bringing in a top boundary CB is now critical if we want Shula’s D to evolve. Maybe two CB’s, dammit!

I think Safety will be okay IF Snead can bring in a couple of top CB’s next offseason via FA or draft.

Karty is disintegrating right before our eyes. I didn’t see this coming. Didn’t matter so much in this blowout game, but in normal games a reliable kicker can turn losses into wins. Sigh…

Even Ethan Evans had a bad night, not that I think he needs replacement. But the poor play on this team last night was contagious, it seems.

I’m not sure that Stafford will be able to play long enough to see Rams fix all these things. Somehow or some way Snead needs to get Stafford’s eventual replacement on this roster.

McVay needs to look in the mirror, too. He is the HC after all. Team fell apart and I didn’t see adjustments of any kind. Rams O is getting 80% of cap dollars and turning in mediocre results almost every week. Should McVay turn over play calling duties to LaFleur? Is it smart to continue using 11-personnel so heavily, especially when opposing D’s seem to have figured out how to choke it? Maybe take another look at his RB profile philosophy? These are just some of the questions I think McVay should be asking himself.

Let’s face it, at least 3 NFC teams alone have passed Rams by and are continuing to pull away:

Lions
Eagles
Packers

And there are several others nipping at our heels, as well.

And don’t get me started with the AFC top teams.

My point being, where has that ‘McVay magic’ gone?

I no longer much care if Rams make the playoffs, tbh. I think that they should focus on developing their youngsters as best they can, McVay should strongly consider fundamental changes in his philosophies about playcalling, TE usage, etc. And Snead/McVay should be laying aggressive plans to upgrade this roster come next offseason. NOTHING should be off the table if they hope to catch up with those 3 top NFC teams.

Thoughts?
]]> Speed_Kills RamsFootballFans.comTue, 26 Nov 2024 09:56:50 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135497#msg-1135497 Dude, love your posts. Keep ramblinig! lolhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1135242,1135497#msg-1135497
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I think that this discussion is quite interesting. Let me share my thoughts:

1. McVay, while everybody and anybody can always improve, is the best coach the Rams have had so far. Our team is usually competitive, at the very least. We've gone to the playoffs fairly consistently except when we've had back luck with injuries like in 22. We've gone to the Superbowl twice already and won one of those. So, for me, I'm very thankful for McVay.
2. Although I also like KW, he will never be a real game changer. Besides his recent fumbling issues, he's just doesn't have the game breaking speed that, like for example Saquon has. And, as many people have already pointed out, Blake Corum is basically the same back as KW. I think we have this type of back only because we have not had the draft capital or the team cap available to get a game changing back. These kind of backs don't come around very often so they are not cheap if they are a free agent, or you need a first round pick. Another point I'd like to make is that if you have a good passing game with a very good running back, it really puts the defense in a "pick your poison" type of situation. I saw it somewhere but KW faces the least stacked box defenses of most starting running backs. This means that defenses don't fear him and it also means that the defense has one more defender for the passing game to use against us.
3. I think many people overlook the OL injuries. Like I put in another post, I've only watched the first half so far but 2 of the 3 sacks on Stafford in the first half were because McClendan.
4. I think most of the dink and dunk is because of item #2 and #3 above. The defense can play more guys defending the pass so it makes deeper shots more difficult. And, Stafford doesn't have enough time to do so many deep shots anyway. He'd be creamed if he has to wait for long developing routes.

I hope I haven't rambled too much.

Nice very well thought out post Singapore Ram and I happen to agree with all of it. I really can't add anything since I see it pretty much the same way. lol

Keep on Rambling Singapore Ram! :beercan]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comTue, 26 Nov 2024 09:42:10 -0500