The Shula effect

The Shula effect It has only been one game, but the elevation of Shula appears to have solidified the defensive side of the ball. I am going to use Hoecht as a means of measuring the defense. He is physically gifted and last year many of us felt he was misused or played out of position; I am talking about opposing teams scheming to get him isolated in coverage. After watching Hoecht interview I came away thinking not only is he going to make the team, but he is going to be an integral part of the defense. Shula seems to be a tactician, even his haircut was perfectly manicured. This is not a shot at Raheem Morris who I feel will a lot better in his second head coaching job with the Falcons. I felt Raheem is a people person and a relationship guy not a 25 hour a day watching tape guy. In just one game it feels like this year's defense will out do last year's defense without a guy some say was the greatest defensive player ever. I feel McVay was giddy watching his defense attack the opposing team, he was happy when they missed sacks, they flat got after it!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108406#msg-1108406Fri, 15 May 2026 22:44:30 -0400 Phorum 5.2.18 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108945#msg-1108945 You also have to remember WHY things happenhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108945#msg-1108945
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Here is one that looks like Heocht was beat. The slot receiver was his only hook to the flat.

Looks like Hoecht had the slot man-to-man. It wasn't.

The RCB (Kendricks) followed his guy inside. He should't have. He had the "final #1" receiver "outside and deep". The guy the RCB had should have been passed to the RS. Hoecht actually tried to save a TD. He looks bad -- but he was covering for a CB who was not good.

So, there has to be perspective. McVay likes the Fangio-style defense. Not defensive us pure, but you can easily see this defense is the same as before, as it was the same as it was before that. Last time Rams ran a different defense was 2019. Of course, new coaches put new wrinkles in -- their own stamp-- but when you see what is happening you can see it's basically the same.

The way people describe things can be highly speculative and be full of confirmation bias. It's just the way it is sometimes. But why things happen and how often things happen have to be put into perspective. Had Kendricks been better and yes, even Spoon --- OLbers would not be in the slot as much. It allowed the CBs to not have to "MEG" man everywhere he goes. It allows for "MOD" which is they have their guy "outside and deep". IT's to prevent explosive plays and last year, explosive plays were up and they had to help CBs.

If White and Williams play well then they will need less help and there will be fewer "walked" OLbers. A I said 58 for Hoecht and 33 for Young last year]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 20:40:03 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108938#msg-1108938 Re: Yes, it does imply that. Verse and Young will cover some of the timehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108938#msg-1108938
There has been some discussion about not having Hoecht drop into coverage because he's not particularly good at it, but as you alluded to he almost has to some of the time just so the offense doesn't know who is rushing and who isn't.

That said, there might be ways for Hoecht to participate in pass coverage and not cause as much of an issue as last year. ('Dude and I discussed elsewhere in this thread about having him sit in a short zone rather than try to cover a TE as one way to do that.)]]> AlbaNY_Ram RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 20:11:08 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108905#msg-1108905 Yes, it does imply that. Verse and Young will cover some of the timehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108905#msg-1108905

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But doesn't that imply that Young (or Verse) has to drop into coverage? And if so is that the best use of Young's or Verse's skills?

Young and Verse will drop into coverage --- just like Ebukam did in 2020
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and just like Keir Thomas and VanValkenburg against the Cowboys
and it was more than once for each

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Young, Verse and Hoecht will all have to drop sometimes. There is and was a reason for it last year especially, but often folks don't want to discuss in good faith.

But remember this:
Rams have 3 major fronts they run. A front is the number of men in the box ... that's DL and LBers ... and sometimes a S can jump int

But Rams run:
(1) A 3-4: In this the OLBers do what those diagrams show. Sometines both rush, sometimes both could drop, often one drops and the other rushes

(2) a 5-1 amd this is similar to the 3-4 ... OLBers do the same thing.

(3) a 4-2-5 and THIS is the pass rush front. There are not OLBers, they would be considered defensive ends, but it's the same gus as the OLBers. If someone insisted on calling then OLBers then this could be called a 2-4-5.

In this defense --- the DEs or OLBers do not cover. They rush almost all the time.

Rams are in the 3-4 about 20-25% of the time
Rams are in the 5-1 about the same -- 20-25% of the time

so 40-50/55% Rams in in a scheme that the OLBers drop --- this is the case since 2020. No major changes and will happen this year

Rams are in the 4-2-5 (2-4-5 if you like) and 4-1-6 (2-3-6) if you like around 40-50% of the time and most of those are 3rd downs
or 2nd and longs ... depends on if the offense goes 3-wide or not.

So, half the time, roughly, the OLBers will be in a defense that MIGHT drop a LBer.
And Half the time, the DEs/OLBer (or call them edge players) wll almost never drop.

But Rams draft and sign OLbers who can cover --- they are in the 240-260 range ... they rush and cover. Hoecht is the exception. Lewis was a bust and guys got injured so late in 2022 Hoecht was converted to OLBer. In 2023 he dropped weight and the (usually) coundary CB needed help so he had to cover more than what would be normal. In 2024 he's down to 265 pounds.

But as those still pictures show. the OLBers will cover --- and what most people were upset about
is where Hoecht lined up. 58 times he was the "apex" defender, walked away. Young was 33. Guys like Floyd and Ebukam and Hollins did it about 10-20 times a year.

But with White and Williams outside, there will be less of it ... but it will happen. It happened Sunday]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 18:22:48 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108902#msg-1108902 Yup. That's it AlbaNYhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108902#msg-1108902

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If we just drop a DL back into a zone or area in the middle of the field to defend that area and NOT the player, it should be ok. I don't see them asking the DL to cover a TE on a route or anything like that. Just clog up the passing lanes over the middle.

JMO. I am by no means a defensive genius and I don't pretend to play one on the internet but...I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :beercan

I think you said it well and we both agree. They key will be "how" they drop into coverage and how often. :beercan]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 18:02:15 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108900#msg-1108900 Re: Did AD ever drop into coverage?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108900#msg-1108900

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If we just drop a DL back into a zone or area in the middle of the field to defend that area and NOT the player, it should be ok. I don't see them asking the DL to cover a TE on a route or anything like that. Just clog up the passing lanes over the middle.

JMO. I am by no means a defensive genius and I don't pretend to play one on the internet but...I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :beercan

Yup, I can see that. But then again, they just have Hoecht do the same thing. Tht actually seems like the best solution to me. Have Hoecht rush some of the time. Or even most of the time. But when he does drop in coverage have him defend a short zone rather than try to stick to a TE.]]> AlbaNY_Ram RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 17:57:14 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108897#msg-1108897 Re: Did AD ever drop into coverage?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108897#msg-1108897

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If dropping someone else into coverage helps get Hoecht to the QB, I am ok with it.

Isn't the idea of dropping a DL into coverage supposed to surprise the offense since they don't expect it? I think if not overdone we'll be ok. It will be up to Shula to determine if there is an advantage to dropping others for Hoecht is worth it or not.

I don't think we'll see it often but won't be surprised if we do.

Yes, that is also a workable solution. But if the DL that drops into coverage is worse in that role than Hoecht, doesn't that make a bad situation worse?

I guess we won't know unless we see it, but I suspect Hoecht is better in coverage than Kobie Turner, Bobby Brown III, or Braden Fiske. But maybe, as you suggest, that move will confuse the OL enough that the pass rush gets home before the coverage can be exploited.

I think it depends on the type of "coverage" they ask the DL to do. We had Hoecht covering tight ends down field and in the flat too often imo.

If we just drop a DL back into a zone or area in the middle of the field to defend that area and NOT the player, it should be ok. I don't see them asking the DL to cover a TE on a route or anything like that. Just clog up the passing lanes over the middle.

JMO. I am by no means a defensive genius and I don't pretend to play one on the internet but...I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night! :beercan]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 17:33:11 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108893#msg-1108893 Re: Did AD ever drop into coverage?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108893#msg-1108893

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If dropping someone else into coverage helps get Hoecht to the QB, I am ok with it.

Isn't the idea of dropping a DL into coverage supposed to surprise the offense since they don't expect it? I think if not overdone we'll be ok. It will be up to Shula to determine if there is an advantage to dropping others for Hoecht is worth it or not.

I don't think we'll see it often but won't be surprised if we do.

Yes, that is also a workable solution. But if the DL that drops into coverage is worse in that role than Hoecht, doesn't that make a bad situation worse?

I guess we won't know unless we see it, but I suspect Hoecht is better in coverage than Kobie Turner, Bobby Brown III, or Braden Fiske. But maybe, as you suggest, that move will confuse the OL enough that the pass rush gets home before the coverage can be exploited.]]> AlbaNY_Ram RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 17:24:24 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108891#msg-1108891 Did AD ever drop into coverage?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108891#msg-1108891

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And that goes to my point. In order to avoid Hoecht's perceived weakness (pass coverage) he has to be part of the pass rush. But doesn't that imply that Young (or Verse) has to drop into coverage? And if so is that the best use of Young's or Verse's skills?

I get the theory that the Rams might want to hide Hoecht's pass coverage skills (or lack thereof), but if the trade-off is losing Young's or Verse's pass rush so they can drop instead ... well, I'm not sure I get a warm and fuzzy thinking about that.

I think I remember he did. Not very often but not never either. If dropping someone else into coverage helps get Hoecht to the QB, I am ok with it.

Isn't the idea of dropping a DL into coverage supposed to surprise the offense since they don't expect it? I think if not overdone we'll be ok. It will be up to Shula to determine if there is an advantage to dropping others for Hoecht is worth it or not.

I don't think we'll see it often but won't be surprised if we do.]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 17:09:02 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108889#msg-1108889 Re: To answer your question on Hoecht, it depends on the callhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108889#msg-1108889
I get the theory that the Rams might want to hide Hoecht's pass coverage skills (or lack thereof), but if the trade-off is losing Young's or Verse's pass rush so they can drop instead ... well, I'm not sure I get a warm and fuzzy thinking about that.

Maybe having both OLBs rush every time Hoecht is in there on a pass play is the best answer, but that really limits the flexibility that I bet Shula and McVay are looking for.]]> AlbaNY_Ram RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 17:04:39 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108886#msg-1108886 All true merlin but...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108886#msg-1108886

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Doesn't mean you're not right. I do like the mentality of the defensive unit they fielded in the one preseason game we have seen. But the truth is these aren't the starters and the scheme is not cooked up for what opponents do well. So drawing any real conclusions from what we have seen thus far is grasping at straws.

Patience grasshopper. I do think Shula is going to have a quality rush once the starters are on the field, which will benefit him greatly. But there's a long way to go here.

By the way in talking coaches we can see some trends with the different personnel groups by measuring improvement in the depth of the units. OL for example the coaching has obviously been exemplary. WR same. And the secondary also had a lot of depth options stepping up, playing fast, which is a great look for the staff.

Two more games to go. And even then we won't really have an idea on the coordinator performance until things go live week one vs Detroit.

The changes are noticeable regardless of who was playing in that game. The swarming to the ball. The solid tackling techniques. The more aggressive scheme all stood out to me compared to the last few preseasons and regular seasons too.

All of the above were things that were lacking previously at every level of the defense no matter if it was the starters or backups. They didn't swarm to the ball. The tackling was weak and the scheme was rather soft.

Does it guarantee us a better defense this year? Not really but it sure does give us hope that at least they are doing the "little things" correctly now even if it was the backups. I would hope if the backups are doing better so will the starters too.]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 16:49:32 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108882#msg-1108882 You're reading too much into preseasonhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108882#msg-1108882
Patience grasshopper. I do think Shula is going to have a quality rush once the starters are on the field, which will benefit him greatly. But there's a long way to go here.

By the way in talking coaches we can see some trends with the different personnel groups by measuring improvement in the depth of the units. OL for example the coaching has obviously been exemplary. WR same. And the secondary also had a lot of depth options stepping up, playing fast, which is a great look for the staff.

Two more games to go. And even then we won't really have an idea on the coordinator performance until things go live week one vs Detroit.]]> merlin RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 16:40:01 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108860#msg-1108860 Every team needs a Hoechthttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108860#msg-1108860 Hazlet Hacksaw RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 16:00:57 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108844#msg-1108844 Re: The Shula effect is Awesome Happy Happy !https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108844#msg-1108844Rams were jumping routes since Cowboys receivers were just doing single cuts.
Plus Trey can't throw the deep ball accurately (or even shorter routes).

So, good to see the defense recognizing that and being aggressive on the routes. Plans will change in the regular season and against certain QBs.
Obviously just one preseason game with limited players on both sides with limited game plans.

Rams Offense will dictate the Rams defense, so will see how this will fully looks when the 1st stringers are in.]]> h2omelonhead RamsFootballFans.comWed, 14 Aug 2024 14:52:05 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108728#msg-1108728 The Shula effect is Awesome Happy Happy !https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108728#msg-1108728 BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 23:45:55 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108724#msg-1108724 Re: The Shula effecthttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108724#msg-1108724 h2omelonhead RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 22:59:24 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108713#msg-1108713 You and I could spend a night talking about this topichttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108713#msg-1108713 Stafford9 RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 21:05:19 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108712#msg-1108712 To answer your question on Hoecht, it depends on the callhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108712#msg-1108712

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If he and Young (or Verse) are in at OLB and the DL consists of Turner, Brown, and Fiske what do you do if the offense runs a pass play?

Rush all 5 of them?

Drop Young (or Verse) into coverage and have Hoecht and the 3 DL rush the QB?

Drop one of the DL into coverage so both OLBs can rush?

Or drop Hoecht into coverage?

The scheme calls for one of the two OLBers rushing or both, but it's not a matter of WHO does it but who is one the side they want to rush. That depends on the call ... or and audible, I suppose

Rams could rush the strong side OLBer, or the weakside OLBer, or both
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Or drop both and one of the the ILBers can rush, Jones is particularly good at this
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I think Morris tried to make something that he wasn't...a pass rusher that can cover too.

I am looking forward to "the Shula Effect". I think we all will be happy to finally see better tackling, swarming to the ball and more aggressive play calls and schemes!

I still wish we could have seen AD in more aggressive scheme his last few seasons. That Charmin Shell did nothing to help AD. If anything, that ultra soft zone crap handcuffed AD...and he STILL balled out! lol I can only imagine how good he could have been with an aggressive defense behind him!]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 17:04:58 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108672#msg-1108672 Going by what Jourdan wrotehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108672#msg-1108672

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about Whittington --- and how he projects.

taking it further -- you can kind of tell how they are grooming

Tyler Johnson -- played only X
J. J. Laap -- played only X
Xavier Smith -- played mostly F
Drake Stoops -- played mostly F
Jordan Whittington -- played Z
Sam Wiglusz -- played X and Z

sometimes Z and F look interchangeable in terms of where they lineup ... so sometimes hard to tell, but they ask the "F" to do "Z"-type motion and vice versa. So the "Z" can be in the slot and the "F" can be outside.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 16:44:17 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108671#msg-1108671 Re: WR depth looks right, too, JYhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108671#msg-1108671 leafnose RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 16:38:39 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108648#msg-1108648 Re: Hoecht will make rosterhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108648#msg-1108648

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I do have questions about the group of guys that contain Hampton, Hummel, Murchison.
Keir made a play and VanValk is all effort, too. As pointed out, Zach lost contain, but he did shed on his second chance and got the guy.
Ochaun Mathis didn't get clocked by me.

My guess is they might cut all 6 of these guys and bring them back to the PS

My opinion the depth chart for DL as of now ---

Kobie Turner, Braden Fiske. Desjuan Johnson, Tyler Davis
Bobby Brown III, Tyler Davis,
Braden Fiske, Tyler Davis, Larrell Murchison

Jourdan mentioned Murchinson got hurt Sunday --- so that puts a position into play

PS possibles - Tuli Letuligasenoa, Anthony Goodlow David Olajiga, Cory Durden

OLBer --Byron Young, Michael Hoecht, Nick Hampton
OLBer --Jared Verse, Michael Hoecht, Brennan Jackson,

PS possibles: VVB, Thomas, Mathis,----maybe only 1 ior 2 or

F--Cooper Kupp, Jordan Whittington, Xavier Smith
Z--Puka Nacua, Jordan Whittington, Tutu Atwell
X--Demarcus Robinson, Tutu Atwell, Tyler Johnson, Xavier Smith]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 14:36:35 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108639#msg-1108639 your first two sentences are my pointhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108639#msg-1108639
I am not saying Hoecht is a great player, it give the outward impression he is going to make this team, Shula likes him and I bet he is no longer in pass coverage. Only time will tell]]> Stafford9 RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 13:39:29 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108618#msg-1108618 Re: The Shula effecthttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108618#msg-1108618
And if I was the DC I would find ways to maximize his strengths and minimize his weaknesses. But here's the problem with that.

If he and Young (or Verse) are in at OLB and the DL consists of Turner, Brown, and Fiske what do you do if the offense runs a pass play?

Rush all 5 of them?

Drop Young (or Verse) into coverage and have Hoecht and the 3 DL rush the QB?

Drop one of the DL into coverage so both OLBs can rush?

Or drop Hoecht into coverage?]]> AlbaNY_Ram RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 12:25:28 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108598#msg-1108598 Re: Hoecht will make rosterhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108598#msg-1108598
I thing in 4 man fronts will see Hoecht plenty, Especially, against teams with 12 type personnel, or beefy size.
He's an effort guy, and not the blazing athlete. JAG? Sure. But he's got size, and he's got the doctrine that Morris/Shula etc have sermonized on for the last number of seasons.

I do have questions about the group of guys that contain Hampton, Hummel, Murchison.
Keir made a play and VanValk is all effort, too. As pointed out, Zach lost contain, but he did shed on his second chance and got the guy.
Ochaun Mathis didn't get clocked by me.

My guess is they might cut all 6 of these guys and bring them back to the PS]]> leafnose RamsFootballFans.comTue, 13 Aug 2024 10:33:35 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108464#msg-1108464 Good teachers have a way about them then some have extensive knowledge but a poor communicater if disliked will struggle to get thru Madden saidhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108464#msg-1108464 BerendsenRam RamsFootballFans.comMon, 12 Aug 2024 18:55:36 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108459#msg-1108459 I love it Stafford!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108459#msg-1108459
Shula is a very smart, likable dude and apparently the players think so too! :beercan]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comMon, 12 Aug 2024 18:42:05 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108455#msg-1108455 Have to disagree. Hoecht will make rosterhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108455#msg-1108455

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you got that right....lol He's going to do the same thing Get exposed

But putting aside the kidding
I'm not sure he actually makes the roster....
Those young DT's the RAMS now have might just push him off the roster

GO RAMS!!

and be role player---as in stills above.

But at a differennt postion
Turner
Brown
Fiske
Desjuan
Davis
are locks ---

there will be a fight for 6th DL
and who can make PS

these guys all got reps --- over next 2 games one of them will emerge
and take 6th spot and could see 2-3 on PS
Larrell Murchison
Cory Durden
Anthony Goodlow
Tuli Letuligasenoa
David Olajiga

OLBers will be
Young
Verse
Hoecht
Hampton
Brennan Jackson

and if there is a 6ht depending on how many they keep
one of these three will have to emerge ...
Ochaun Mathis
Keir Thomas
Zach VanValkenburg

that is how I see it now that we've been able to see how defensie is struckured]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comMon, 12 Aug 2024 18:39:54 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108452#msg-1108452 Re: He's going to do the same Yephttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108452#msg-1108452
But putting aside the kidding
I'm not sure he actually makes the roster....

Those young DT's the RAMS now have might just push him off the roster @ tackle
Maybe the RAMS keep him on the roster as a OLB??...considering the roster weakness in this unit depth wise

GO RAMS!!]]> Rams_78 RamsFootballFans.comMon, 12 Aug 2024 18:28:24 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108451#msg-1108451 He's going to do the samehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1108406,1108451#msg-1108451

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"I am going to use Hoecht as a means of measuring the defense" I have plenty of Xanax to spare:wink2

I'm one of those who definitely think he was misused or played out of position....
He's just not an outside OLB imo He doesn't have the skill set needed for coverage

GO RAMS!!

His role will be the same --- just not as a starter. He will play OLBer and also DT

like this:
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And will do this, hopefully less with better CBs ... but this is yesterday with VVB
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