I gotta say that I so wanted a "ravenesque" kinda D this year... I wanted to see a D that ate up passes, and took out aspects of the field. Shula being chosen looks right off as an ongoing bend don't break style. The main part of that is the "it looks like" issue and really I don't feel like that is fair to do. He has been around since 2017 so he has had his nose in pretty much all layers of the D. That can mean he has seen the Wade/Staley/Morris D and over that time has in his mind seen ways to play off those ideas, or do what he thinks would improve the issues with those D's. I just want to see a D that can get off the field, not allow so many 3rd and longs, and mostly see a D that causes more turn overs...IMO you don't do that by playing off coverage and hope for tips to get an INT, force the play, attack the ball. Fight that middle of the field, don't let receivers run free off the line.....and please stop the Hoecht pass coverage unit from getting on the field... I see nothing out of these wants that screams "Shula can't do this!"https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079227#msg-1079227Tue, 08 Sep 2026 17:58:06 -0400 Phorum 5.2.18 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079278#msg-1079278 Yes, like happens to teams, also Wink's last year- they let him gohttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079278#msg-1079278
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Had a rash of CB/S injuries similar to the

but agree banged up in 2021 and they had 9 INTs. In 2020 healthy and a good defense, but only 10 INTs

so, again, not saying Ravens not a great defense but OP was concerned about turnovers and in that department
Rams are not that bad . . .Ravens had huge year in 2023, no doubt. Not huge in past years ... that's all I was adding in]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 14:09:12 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079276#msg-1079276 Ravens 2021 Dhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079276#msg-1079276 ramsfaninmd RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 13:55:44 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079275#msg-1079275 Re: I hear youhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079275#msg-1079275 Speed_Kills RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 13:54:47 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079274#msg-1079274 That is a good point, Wilson is a common denominator of those twohttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079274#msg-1079274
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I think the same thing happened with the eagles in 2022...they were tops, this year they stunk it up....The ravens rose to the top in 2023.....In both spots of rising Wilson was there....That's why I wanted Wilson, I considered him from his last coaching spot....There were other guys on that staff that also I wanted over Shula because my thinking process was what Wilson brings must be also a part of the others on that Staff......

Now it's Shulas' game and now I want to see what he has gleaned from his DC's before him, and also see what he has seen from having been involved in all aspects of the D since 2017......what he saw could have (if he were at the time) in charge of decision making. Now he is, hope he modifies and doesn't stay static with the D plan....Not just continue from were they left off and be status quo, change it up without throwing it all out.

I think Shula will put his stamp on the scheme that McVay wants ... it will be vast majority Fangio but it will also be tweaked by Shula .. .what he likes, what he thinks will work, what ner players come in ...]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 13:46:10 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079259#msg-1079259 So wasn't Wilson a bearing on that backfield?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079259#msg-1079259
Now it's Shulas' game and now I want to see what he has gleaned from his DC's before him, and also see what he has seen from having been involved in all aspects of the D since 2017......what he saw could have (if he were at the time) in charge of decision making. Now he is, hope he modifies and doesn't stay static with the D plan....Not just continue from were they left off and be status quo, change it up without throwing it all out.]]> roman18 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 12:22:55 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079249#msg-1079249 I get it, you are seeing 2023 onlyhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079249#msg-1079249
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as being a blitz heavy D......what I have seen from them is their ability to get turn overs.....Last season their backfield was very good at that. Why do they get the turnovers or am I mis-leading myself again? Fumbles and INT's.....are these caused by attacking styles more so than what we were running?


Ravens had huge year in 2023 so if you pick last year--- 100% right, but you don't remember 2021 - among the worst in the NFL
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So, i was looking at larger picture ... but if we are comparing ... 2023 was Rams worst year and 2023 was Ravens best year. In 2021 is was the opposite.

But I get where you are coming from and understand you want what you want and we all do.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 11:33:21 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079246#msg-1079246 "Feelings" are finehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079246#msg-1079246
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on 3rd and longs because they stand out so much...3rd and 30, 2nd and 25 becoming 1st downs.....Your chart shows that it's not common with them, but I guess being a human I keep those times in my memory more than the times they cause punts.

RIght, memories retain the bad and it causes a negative feeling. And when something is successful we just expect it.

I just think people get frustrated and also don't see what other teams do enough ... and it's understandable but feeling one way or another does
not address the issue

and 3rd and 15 of more, last 3 years Rams better than Ravens (3rd and 30 is not a thing ... just rarely happens and Rams have not allowed one ... nor Ravens
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Ravens more static
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Rams play more man,but only at the league average. Rams more this year than last, but up from around 8.4 to 12.7% Ravens at 19% or so
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It was also frustrating to see guys so wide open off the snap, seeing a defender be in spot x as a receiver came up on him, and just let him go past and then seemingly stand there in space, react after the throw and overplay the play to miss the tackle. It looked like they were so often off the ball so that a play on the ball was impossible, turnovers were rare because they just didn't attack the receiver , get a hand on it....looked like most of their few INT's were due to playing off the ball and getting a tipped ball going off the receivers hands.]]> roman18 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 11:08:42 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079242#msg-1079242 Re: I gotta say that I so wanted a "ravenesque" kinda D this year...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079242#msg-1079242but they are not wildmen all the time

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We know McVay trends towards impatience—don’t we all. But at times he looked like he was chomping at the bit on the sidelines during some of those long drives against his D.

I think with Shula he’ll have more game management input than he did with Raheem. I think he let Morris do his thing. So, we might see more pressures from the D. But the advantage is the long time these guys have had on the Rams and all the things they’ve seen that work and what hasn’t. There’s a symbiosis which I don’t think you see much in an HC and DC.
This is wishful thinking since Raheem never got to "do his thing", Raheem was informed if he wanted the DC position they would be playing this form of defense, which he did. So now under Shula we will get even more of what McVay wants from a defense. This whole Morris wanted the Fangio soft zone and McVay just allowed him to do it isn't what happened at all. The Rams defense post Wade is the defense that McVay has wanted period. He brought in a top disciple of it and has kept it even after that disciple left.]]> RamsDynasty RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 11:05:01 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079240#msg-1079240 Re: I gotta say that I so wanted a "ravenesque" kinda D this year...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079240#msg-1079240tackling --- same as Rams

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And they are not blitz maniacs over last 3 years
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ANd will play soft when needed ...
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I just want to see a D that can get off the field, not allow so many 3rd and longs, and mostly see a D that causes more turn overs...IMO you don't do that by playing off coverage and hope for tips to get an INT, force the play, attack the ball.

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Ravens are better last 3 years in 3rd and long both 3rd a 7= and 3rd and 10+ but Rams not as bad as you might think.
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And as far as turnovers per game---2021-23 Rams get more than Ravens
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I am not saying Rams defense is better than Ravens - it's not but a lot of things are closer than people think ... and IMO never put things into perspective league wide]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 10:59:05 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079234#msg-1079234 I was hoping the same thinghttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079234#msg-1079234 RamBum RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 10:47:28 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079233#msg-1079233 Re: I gotta say that I so wanted a "ravenesque" kinda D this year...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079233#msg-1079233
I think with Shula he’ll have more game management input than he did with Raheem. I think he let Morris do his thing. So, we might see more pressures from the D. But the advantage is the long time these guys have had on the Rams and all the things they’ve seen that work and what hasn’t. There’s a symbiosis which I don’t think you see much in an HC and DC.]]> Ekern55 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 10:46:23 -0500 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079227#msg-1079227 I gotta say that I so wanted a "ravenesque" kinda D this year...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1079227,1079227#msg-1079227
I just want to see a D that can get off the field, not allow so many 3rd and longs, and mostly see a D that causes more turn overs...IMO you don't do that by playing off coverage and hope for tips to get an INT, force the play, attack the ball. Fight that middle of the field, don't let receivers run free off the line.....and please stop the Hoecht pass coverage unit from getting on the field...

I see nothing out of these wants that screams "Shula can't do this!"]]> roman18 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 02 Feb 2024 10:34:24 -0500