Was last year an accurate reflection of team or an outlier? I would bring up the 49'ers for comparison and what they went through when Jimmy G was lost for a couple of years. In 2018 he played three games and they went 4-12. In 2019 he played 16 games, they went 13-3 and lost in the superbowl In 2019 he only played 6 games and they went 6-10 In 2021 he played 15 games and they went 10-7 and lost in the conference championship. So...were they a bad team in 2018 and 2020 or where they unable to overcome significant injuries. The 49'ers, like the Rams have a very good head coach, and GM and a stable, supportive front office that's focused on winning. I'm not ready to write off 2023. Fight to the finish.https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013329#msg-1013329Fri, 11 Sep 2026 21:41:53 -0400 Phorum 5.2.18 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013751#msg-1013751 Corbett was replacablehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013751#msg-1013751as much as they did, not a game here
or there, cost the Rams at least
one game---
Matt Skura
Oday Aboushi
Jeremiah Kolone
Tremayne Anchrum
AJ Arcuri
Chandler Brewer
Ty Nsekhe

I don't think it's reasonable to say that the
starts would have done the same

Just like it's not reasonable to attack a coach for
two years. It's just way beyond normal. It's
not fan-like in my opinion.

Fans can certainly criticize the oline and say it's not
good enough. I agree, I've said Rams should have
invested more premium picks in the o=line for the
same reason everyone else knows, Pro Bowlers
come from the top 2 rounds so if you don't have a 1st
then use the 2nd on a guard or center or tackle.

But that is a far cry from saying street free agents
are as good as the Rams offensive line or that the
loss of Whit cost 7 games. Please.

Sometimes it does get tiring of hearing Rams fans
rip on someone like a 49er fan would do. If something
goes too far, too long, too intense, or too vicious then
it's not being a Rams fan, it's being something else.

Now, they are not even close to the case here. This is just
one example of a take that is, in my opinion, too extreme,
and maybe born out of frustration--and I get that.

The oldnotdeads of the world? Nah, beyond all sense
of fairness. You start calling a coach names for 2 years
then you deserved to be exposed as a hater. That is what
oldnotdead is.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comSat, 25 Mar 2023 15:52:22 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013750#msg-1013750 Re: And there were always issues--2018, 2019, 2020, 2021,2022https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013750#msg-1013750
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I think if they weren't fighting fires trying to overcome the Oline issues they would have figured out how to solve the other issues.

there always are---and in general, Rams do pretty well, no as well as a few teams, better than most. 2023 will betime to pay the piper
but 2024 will be good, or at least McVay as good as anyone to try and make it good.

2023 will be an interesting year to watch for the development of younger players to see who will be ready to step up in 2024 and be big time contributors. We will have some 2024 cap flexibility plus a full complement of draft choices. McVay/Snead out to be able to reload for the next big push.]]> David Deacon RamsFootballFans.comSat, 25 Mar 2023 15:42:40 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013749#msg-1013749 Sure does Ram4life!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013749#msg-1013749
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He's not just hating. Did you watch the first game against Buffalo? The fully healthy line gave up 7 sacks and got dismantled. They didn't look very good then.

Of course he isn't "hating". chico is one of the most loyal and respected Rams fans here at the Herd and has been for as long as I have known him. :rolleyes

Attacking the "opinion" of a fellow poster is one thing but to call them names makes it "personal". It's basically a personal attack (even if it is a minor one) which isn't allowed here.

The OL got destroyed that first game. They looked horrible and they were completely healthy. A sign of things to come? I think so. Losing Whit and Corbett was a huge loss that I am not sure we could've overcame no matter who we started in their place.

I am looking for Bruss to take a huge step up this year. I hope we get to see the kid play a bunch in preseason. He will need all the reps he can get IMO. The same goes for the other guys too. Now that we will be fielding a team of really young players, I think it should apply to all of them. Let em play! :beercan]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comSat, 25 Mar 2023 15:32:51 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013744#msg-1013744 Projecting it over 17 gameshttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013744#msg-1013744
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He's not just hating. Did you watch the first game against Buffalo? The fully healthy line gave up 7 sacks and got dismantled. They didn't look very good then.

does not seem fair.

Other teams had games that gave up 7 sacks, Minny and Cincy, and they got to playoffs...

Cincy was opening day, just a few days after, but they had some injuries,
but that was a new rebuilt line---and they got to AFCCG

They thought their 2021 line needed an upgrade, they do it, and the first game out of the blocks they give up 7 sacks.

So, the point is one game does not a season make.

Logical thinking says that just because something happened once does not mean it is going to happen again.
All the factors have to be considered.

I happen to think that 2023 is not going to be a good year. But I am not going to hate on the offense line
or hate on McSnead or hate on the process.

I wish these people would calm down a little, take a breath and realize we are not going to get
what we want in 2023 - a winning, playoff season (probably)

But that is no reason to say that a reasonably healthy line from last year would
have done just as badly as one composed of guys off the street, I mean, come on.

Extreme views need to be challenged.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comSat, 25 Mar 2023 14:55:18 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013743#msg-1013743 Too bad.https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013743#msg-1013743
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Love how you dismiss Whitworth (after blathering about 21' & 22' olines were the same),
and that somehow the 1 game your 22' o-line was "intact" is in no way indicative of how they would have performed over 17 games
Then dump the "hater" comment. Disagreeing is one thing, disparaging another lifetime fan can only be described as pathetic.
It looks like you're gonna get a chance to see (short of Edwards) the 21/22 oline?! (as you put it) in action, based on our off-season so far.
We'll see where you're at when they get rag rolled next season - but you won't catch this fan disparaging you or anyone else as a "hater" for having an opposing opinion. You might know a little about football, but it appears maturity may be an issue for you.

Hey, whatever. Say what you want about me, it's fine.

But when someone craps on a coach for 2 years, that is not reason. It's hate
in my opinion. It's pathetic, cult-like really.

But that is not you, but that is why I use
hate for them. A coach lives in their head rent-free and they cannot help
themselves to rip him with falsehoods when the truth is available, then
it's hate.

"Hate on" is just slang, but if you take offense, that is your right.
And "hate on" is common verbiage, being "mad at football" is another
one. You see people criticize someone and they say "Why the hate"
the counter being "show the man some love".

By all means, if you are offended, be offended. It's your right.

And I 100% stand by my comments on the line. And everything else, too.

But you take, is your right, but if you say a line THAT banged up that
protected poor enough to go 5-12 would have gone 5-12
had the starters been reasonably injured, even more than normal, not
historic then my right is to challenge that.

You are saying the Rams starters, who won the Super Bowl the
year before, sans one guy, are NO BETTER than guys off the street.

Even if you say Whitworth is worth a win, two wins, even three wins
which is a super reach . . .

So, if you said something defensible, like with a healthy line they would have
not been as good with Whitworth gone, so I think they would have
been 9-8 or 10-7" Crediting Whit's loss for 2-3 losses that
is one thing.

But you said they would have been 5-12.

That's not a fair analysis

As far as your doom and gloom, dire, worse-case scenario about the
line in 2023.

You don't know what will happen. You talk about good guys,
guys on your team getting rag-dolled all next year.

You can simply join the people who say bad things about their
own team, dump on them when you don't even know who will be
on the roster.

You can be part of the Rams "fans" who say Rams and not only suck
but get rag dolled and the defense toilet paper and Snead is a moron and
that not only 2023 is going to be bad but 2024 and beyond because
we have all the crappy people running the team and mostly crappy
players on the team.

You do that. I won't.


You may hate me, hate my style, that's okay. Fine.

But you won't see me going overboard with doom and gloom.
I prefer to wait and see the bad things and not childishly predict them.

That is my opinion as to what a lifelong Rams fan would do.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comSat, 25 Mar 2023 14:46:55 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013738#msg-1013738 Hard to agrue with any of that chico!https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013738#msg-1013738
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Fair enough. But 22' o-line was NOT the same as 21' (perhaps you've heard of a guy named Whitworth). The other 4 were from 21', & clearly got abused by Buffalo in week 1 (the only week one could draw any kind of reasonable comparison between 21' & 22').

Never heard of the guy

And totally disagree with your gloom and doom overly negative assessment.

Sorry, no sale. No way you can support that a healthy oline would have been 5-12 in 2022.

You can say it, and I can disagree. But the loss of one guy does not account for 7 losses
And looking at one game is no way is any kind of evidence. At all.

it's fine to hate on the Rams. Enjoy it.

But I know my position is at least supportable, a healthy o-line could not be argued
in a fair way would have had the SAME record and a record-setting DEVASTATED
o-line.

That is saying the injuries had no impact.

That's just . . . SMDH

Love how you dismiss Whitworth (after blathering about 21' & 22' olines were the same),
and that somehow the 1 game your 22' o-line was "intact" is in no way indicative of how they would have performed over 17 games
Then dump the "hater" comment. Disagreeing is one thing, disparaging another lifetime fan can only be described as pathetic.
It looks like you're gonna get a chance to see (short of Edwards) the 21/22 oline?! (as you put it) in action, based on our off-season so far.
We'll see where you're at when they get rag rolled next season - but you won't catch this fan disparaging you or anyone else as a "hater" for having an opposing opinion. You might know a little about football, but it appears maturity may be an issue for you.

You make very valid points chico. :beercan

"Rag rolling" might be a good prediction for what we are about to see this year from our OL.

If several OL don't play above expectations we might be in for a long year. I am hoping someone steps up and takes advantage of the opportunity they have been given. :thumb]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comSat, 25 Mar 2023 14:12:45 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013691#msg-1013691 Re: Who's Whitworth? - there we gohttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013691#msg-1013691
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Fair enough. But 22' o-line was NOT the same as 21' (perhaps you've heard of a guy named Whitworth). The other 4 were from 21', & clearly got abused by Buffalo in week 1 (the only week one could draw any kind of reasonable comparison between 21' & 22').

Never heard of the guy

And totally disagree with your gloom and doom overly negative assessment.

Sorry, no sale. No way you can support that a healthy oline would have been 5-12 in 2022.

You can say it, and I can disagree. But the loss of one guy does not account for 7 losses
And looking at one game is no way is any kind of evidence. At all.

it's fine to hate on the Rams. Enjoy it.

But I know my position is at least supportable, a healthy o-line could not be argued
in a fair way would have had the SAME record and a record-setting DEVASTATED
o-line.

That is saying the injuries had no impact.

That's just . . . SMDH

Love how you dismiss Whitworth (after blathering about 21' & 22' olines were the same),
and that somehow the 1 game your 22' o-line was "intact" is in no way indicative of how they would have performed over 17 games
Then dump the "hater" comment. Disagreeing is one thing, disparaging another lifetime fan can only be described as pathetic.
It looks like you're gonna get a chance to see (short of Edwards) the 21/22 oline?! (as you put it) in action, based on our off-season so far.
We'll see where you're at when they get rag rolled next season - but you won't catch this fan disparaging you or anyone else as a "hater" for having an opposing opinion. You might know a little about football, but it appears maturity may be an issue for you.]]> chico n da rams RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 22:03:39 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013656#msg-1013656 They may have been 7-10 or 12-5https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013656#msg-1013656
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They may have been 7-10. Or not. We don't know.

we don't know.

But 5-12, which is the point of my reply, which
even YOU don't agree with, is not reasonable
even as a guess.

That's just venting]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 17:15:35 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013655#msg-1013655 I said that like a million times.https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013655#msg-1013655
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Like the rest of us. We don't know.

but I also said my guess is based on something
other than being pissed off at the Rams.

Of course, we're guessing

but if someone looks at this that went 5-12
and then says the top guys being reasonably
healthy ALSO go 5-12

Well, that guess someone mad at football
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would have been 5-12 like this
line---but the loss of 2 guys does not
equate THIS---unprecedented
means unprecedented, without precedent,
never happened before.

Don't care if they replaced 3 guys--as long
as the replacements were healthy, had a chance
to work together

This is the line that went 5-12, no way
the top guys, if healthy, go 5-12. It strains
credulity.
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That's 2 big pieces lost from the 22 line.

Yes Sir. 2 VERY big pieces. :thumbsup]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 17:01:45 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013648#msg-1013648 And there were always issues--2018, 2019, 2020, 2021,2022https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013648#msg-1013648
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I think if they weren't fighting fires trying to overcome the Oline issues they would have figured out how to solve the other issues.

there always are---and in general, Rams do pretty well, no as well as a few teams, better than most. 2023 will betime to pay the piper
but 2024 will be good, or at least McVay as good as anyone to try and make it good.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 17:01:09 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013647#msg-1013647 Re: And Austin Corbetthttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013647#msg-1013647 Ram4life RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 16:59:55 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013646#msg-1013646 Re: Purportionhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013646#msg-1013646
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There sure was a lot of stuff that contributed to the disaster of last season.
Injuries, Superbowl hangover, QB elbow then Injury, Coaching decisions, McVay problems, Roster Talent
l

I think all those are right. But I also think they contributed maybe 20% to problems if that.
IMO 80% (or more) as unprecedented oline injuries.

But the other things you mention did happen. Stafford had elbow stuff, and probably his chronic back
but that was buyer beware. Rams felt it was worth the risk to get him, and they were right, I thought
they paid too much and shouldn't have had to pay all that much--he wasn't elite in all phases
but he could be elite for bursts.

So maybe I am wrong and it is 75-25% or something like that---but it couldn't be 50-50%, IMO
all those other things are normal things.

Injuries to this level not normal.

I am not sure what the percentages are but totally agree the decimation of the Oline doomed the Rams season as it wiped out most of the starters and all of the depth. It killed the offense for sure. I would buy 70-80% of the reason the season tanked is the fault of the Oline injuries. I think if they weren't fighting fires trying to overcome the Oline issues they would have figured out how to solve the other issues.]]> David Deacon RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 16:54:41 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013645#msg-1013645 Who's Whitworth?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013645#msg-1013645
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Fair enough. But 22' o-line was NOT the same as 21' (perhaps you've heard of a guy named Whitworth). The other 4 were from 21', & clearly got abused by Buffalo in week 1 (the only week one could draw any kind of reasonable comparison between 21' & 22').

Never heard of the guy

And totally disagree with your gloom and doom overly negative assessment.

Sorry, no sale. No way you can support that a healthy oline would have been 5-12 in 2022.

You can say it, and I can disagree. But the loss of one guy does not account for 7 losses
And looking at one game is no way is any kind of evidence. At all.

it's fine to hate on the Rams. Enjoy it.

But I know my position is at least supportable, a healthy o-line could not be argued
in a fair way would have had the SAME record and a record-setting DEVASTATED
o-line.

That is saying the injuries had no impact.

That's just . . . SMDH]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 16:36:47 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013644#msg-1013644 Re: And there it ishttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013644#msg-1013644
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I guarantee you you're wrong.

okay---I have your guarantee.

But that's about next year. You were speculating on LAST year, saying a healthy line would have resulted
in the same record.

There is evidence that the same line won a Super Bowl in 2021. There is zero evidence that
a healthy Rams line had had a losing season since 2016.

never under McVay

but whatever, think whatever you want. I like to at least look
at a track record but - - no one can know for sure.

I guess a healthy line---could have been so bad as let Qb get hurt and go 5-12.

Fair enough. But 22' o-line was NOT the same as 21' (perhaps you've heard of a guy named Whitworth). The other 4 were from 21', & clearly got abused by Buffalo in week 1 (the only week one could draw any kind of reasonable comparison between 21' & 22').
And I never made any claim of a healthy McVay o-line having a losing season back to 16'. Don't know where that came from.
Track records are ok . . but skills erode, time catches up, & players abilities change from year to year & week to week.
If you want to believe that an oline that features Notebook, Allen & Havenstein is gonna lead us back to success, have at.
But as one of the more knowledgeable (& even better at making compelling, graphic arguments) posters on the board,
I can't understand how you or anyone would feel even remotely hopeful about any of our "proposed" starting 5 being even competent,much less dominant. And IMO, dominant should be the goal.]]> chico n da rams RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 16:32:16 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013637#msg-1013637 And there it ishttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013637#msg-1013637
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I guarantee you you're wrong.

okay---I have your guarantee.

But that's about next year. You were speculating on LAST year, saying a healthy line would have resulted
in the same record.

There is evidence that the same line won a Super Bowl in 2021. There is zero evidence that
a healthy Rams line had had a losing season since 2016.

never under McVay

but whatever, think whatever you want. I like to at least look
at a track record but - - no one can know for sure.

I guess a healthy line---could have been so bad as let Qb get hurt and go 5-12.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 15:48:53 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013627#msg-1013627 Re: And there were failures by the defensehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013627#msg-1013627
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I disagree - the o-line, if healthy, would still be getting trucked, & we would still be 5-12.

The oline that got Rams to Super Bowl in 2021, if healthy, would have
been so bad as to be 5-12?

okay . . .

Fair enough... We'll disagree. And it seems at this point that the Rams are going to go with a very similar iteration of the same 22 oline. I have a feeling you'll be wrong this coming year, if that's the case. If the 23 line has note boom, Allen, and havinstein as the starters, I guarantee you you're wrong.]]> chico n da rams RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 14:04:16 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013617#msg-1013617 Re: And there were failures by the defensehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013617#msg-1013617
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I disagree - the o-line, if healthy, would still be getting trucked, & we would still be 5-12.

The oline that got Rams to Super Bowl in 2021, if healthy, would have
been so bad as to be 5-12?

okay . . .]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 12:59:05 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013615#msg-1013615 Re: And there were failures by the defensehttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013615#msg-1013615
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The offense just couldn't score.

This board has often had comments about how the defense gave up too many long drives. I actually am amazed at how many of those drives ended in FG's. If the offense could have been scoring 24 points per game, there where a lot of wins there for the pickings.

and said so at the time, but not AS MANY as the offense and special teams.

So, it is just a matter of perspective . . . and while it's fine if someone thinks
that the Rams are a 5-12 team, that's fine...that was the record.

But I just disagree with any notion that this is a 5-12 team for any other
reason but 11 different oline combos in first 11 games.

There are Santa Barbara waves and then there are Waimea waves and then there
are Pe'ahi waves

2022 was Jaws injuries and Rams would have been in playoffs
if they were Waimea injuries and in NFCCG if it were Santa Barbara
injuries

I disagree - the o-line, if healthy, would still be getting trucked, & we would still be 5-12.
Unless/until the IOL is addressed (simply, Edwards, Allen, & RG are upgraded significantly),
Stafford will still be under duress, Akers will still be getting tackled behind the line, & we'll still be going 3 & out.
The D is not the overriding problem. The O-line needs a transfusion.]]> chico n da rams RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 12:56:16 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013608#msg-1013608 Purportionhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013608#msg-1013608
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There sure was a lot of stuff that contributed to the disaster of last season.
Injuries, Superbowl hangover, QB elbow then Injury, Coaching decisions, McVay problems, Roster Talent
l

I think all those are right. But I also think they contributed maybe 20% to problems if that.
IMO 80% (or more) as unprecedented oline injuries.

But the other things you mention did happen. Stafford had elbow stuff, and probably his chronic back
but that was buyer beware. Rams felt it was worth the risk to get him, and they were right, I thought
they paid too much and shouldn't have had to pay all that much--he wasn't elite in all phases
but he could be elite for bursts.

So maybe I am wrong and it is 75-25% or something like that---but it couldn't be 50-50%, IMO
all those other things are normal things.

Injuries to this level not normal.]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 12:40:18 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013606#msg-1013606 In this case we are all speculating buthttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013606#msg-1013606
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My best guess is they'd have gone 8-9 or maybe 9-8.
.

anyone's guess is as good as anyone else's. No one can be right
for sure

But I think if it were just a bad injury season they win 10-11 games
If it was normal they win 12 or so, meaning Kupp, Stafford, Donald, and the Oline miss very little time.

It cost them 10-14 points a game in my opinion.
The defense was 8th in the NFL through 11 weeks but after the KC game
it was no longer a playoff defense--before that it was, but
after the KC games

these were guys starting oline
Matt Skura
Oday Aboushi
Jeremiah Kolone
Tremayne Anchrum
AJ Arcuri
Chandler Brewer
Ty Nsekhe
Stafford was out
Kupp was out
then Donald---

lots of points lost there
After week 11, the defense did have problems
backs against the wall, no pass rush.
[attachment 9051 2023-03-24_10-25-41.jpg]]]> JimYoungblood53 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 12:34:55 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013579#msg-1013579 Last year was a Perfect Storm of errors and challenges…https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013579#msg-1013579
But there were many other self inflicted wounds as well.

McVay was forced to rush his asst coach hires from a barrel of leftovers. Honestly, aside from injuries, this might have been the biggest problem of all.

Irrational play calling and game plans.

Arrogance or complacency in the SB afterglow.

Excessive use by Morris of ultra soft zone D. Emphasis ‘excessive’, mind you.

Suspect coaching decisions on who to start or play (Evans, Kendrick, Hollins, Lewis, etc). Or NOT play (Atwell, targeting AR, Hoecht until late, Durant for 5 weeks after he was declared healthy, Hopkins in 12 personnel, Aboushi, Skura, etc).

The combo of the above reduced a defending SB champion to a 5-12 mediocrity in one season.

Mistakes were plentiful on both sides of the ball plus ST. There was PLENTY of blame to go around. Sigh…]]> Rams43 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 10:48:03 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013577#msg-1013577 All very good points Ramstienhttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013577#msg-1013577
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I have mentioned this in the past, but I think some of these injuries possibly could have been prevented with a better strength and conditioning program. Also, it appeared to me that the coaches did not have this team ready to play when the season started last year.

I know you brought this up before and it is certainly worth considering. Did the historic amount injuries happen for a reason or reasons other than bad luck? If so, we might need to look a little deeper to avoid this type thing happening again.

I also thought we came out unprepared in that first game and injuries weren't the problem. They absolutely looked like they were not ready to play. IMO, that's on the coaching.

Last year was a disaster. There are plenty of things to blame for that from injuries to coaching to conditioning and just bad luck.]]> Ramsdude RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 10:28:48 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013567#msg-1013567 Re: Was last year an accurate reflection of team or an outlier?https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013567#msg-1013567
I wondered if it was the turf that we played on? I've already read that astroturf type fields cause more injuries than grass, but I don't know if that actually applies to the newer style turf the stadium has.

Was it poor physical development, weight training, stretching, etc. led by some of the newer coaches or changes instituted by other coachs? Was it too much weight lifting or too little? Too many practices or two few? Too much off-season workouts or the wrong types of workouts? (I have no idea).

Are all of these injuries just a series of bad dumb luck or are there important reasons behind the rash of injuries?]]> Coy Bacon RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 09:25:58 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013566#msg-1013566 Lots of stuff went wronghttps://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013566#msg-1013566
Injuries, Superbowl hangover, QB elbow then Injury, Coaching decisions, McVay problems, Roster Talent

I think there were a bunch of things that happened last season that were just out of control of the organization such as huge amount of injuries, especially the decimation of the offensive line, and the short off season that really hurt the team.

But there were things that they could control that when you look back were warts all over the place. The coaching staff wasn't up to snuff, especially RB coach and OC. But the coaching staff as a whole wasn't performing well and McVay did a house cleaning as a result.

Depth was an issue everywhere which hurt us with player development. Roster configuration was an issue as we had lots talent at MILB but were thin on the edge. We had talent that we didn't play until things were so bad we didn't have a choice. Guys like Hoecht and Tutu didn't play even when we had a screaming need for their talents. Our offense just sucked. Stafford seem to be focused on Kupp exclusively, we lacked creativity, we were predictable, we had no running game etc. Yes injuries played a part but we did not adjust very well either.

On Defense we were generally okay but we lacked a pass rush and we had inexperienced CB's that cost us and yes a fair share of injuries too.

Also the Salary Cap probably caught up with us a bit too. The lack of draft picks caught up with us too. Those were things that were in our control and while those decision led to a Super Bowl they also contributed to a poor showing in 2022.

Some of the things like the coaching we have tried to fix. We have more draft picks but our Cap situation is even worse and we have lots of talent that must be replace. Roster wise I expect we will be worse off than last season though i think we will have a better record.

So I think the team wasn't as bad as it seemed but the team sure had a l]]> David Deacon RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 09:18:58 -0400 https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013560#msg-1013560 one thing I thought a lot about...https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,1013329,1013560#msg-1013560
My best guess is they'd have gone 8-9 or maybe 9-8. I think losses to Tampa and Arizona don't happen, for example, if they were even somewhat healthier.

Anyway, my point is the 2022 Rams were going to be a noticeable step back from the 2021 team. They just were. We all saw it in week 1 vs. BUF. A play I remember in that game was a no-look pass Stafford tried. Very similar to the game winning drive no-look to Kupp in the Super Bowl that he threaded. But this time it was tipped and intercepted. And I thought, "yep, those magical plays are magic for a reason. They don't happen most of the time..."

The OL injuries were unprecedented. Totally. And their health as a team was 2nd worst in the league. I just had a hard time being really that bothered by it because (a) they had been SO healthy for the previous 5 seasons and (b) they'd just won the Super Bowl...

I don't know where I'm really going with this frankly. Other than perhaps the wholesale changes we are seeing now maybe would not be happening if they'd gone 8-9 or 9-8. And maybe (?) in the long run they are better off that 2022 was as bad as it was? For McVay to figure himself out? For the team to make the moves they have to get 'clean' for lack of a better term for 2024?

Anyway.....]]> LMU93 RamsFootballFans.comFri, 24 Mar 2023 08:51:30 -0400