I think whatever the QB said was coming from a place of trying to save face. I know what Goff said through his mouthpiece and I don't see his words as credible. McVay said he had issues with "real-time communications." He didn't admit to communication issues across a broad spectrum so your attempt to use that limited and specific admission in a broad and general sense falls flat.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
On this post here, your usage of the word "public" was in regard to things fans could see and hear. https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,878879,879010#msg-879010 (e.g. "The real point is that we heard it and saw it ourselves." ) Same with this post here. https://ramsrule.com/herd/read.php?19,878879,878983#msg-878983 ("You will never see him express derision in a way oby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
We agree on what's considered professional in that situation. Most of the rest we disagree on which is fine. Some of the facts we disagree on and some is differences of opinion. After considering the piles of evidence, I simply don't believe Goff heard about issues with his starting spot publicly. This is opinion where I doubt we'll change one another's minds. IMO, it did have somethiby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSunTzu_vs_Camus ...so, of course it's not to be trusted. :P But, for me it was not the calling out of the INTs and mistakes after games so much - that's common stuff...and comes with the game of football. For me, it was the cryptic stuff after the season that I thought was a little petty and not cool on McVay's part. Snead & McVay would be a bit too sly in how they spoke of Goff anby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I understand why it rubs some the wrong way. It's not really a huge deal to me but I do think they could have been better at the normal and respectful coach/GM speak despite knowing they were moving on.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram yup. i understand that. however, different people can (and often do) have different views of the same events (ive had several friends who have got divorced over the years and on every single time the mans story is a bit different then the woman's story. Which is more accurate?). Thus the article may represent thirrys perspective based on her sources but its not the only valid view.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram it strikes me as odd that NO ONE to my knowledge has ever confirmed, denied, corroborated, or even really acknowledged this report. its was released, had like a 24 hour news cycle and then gone. there is only 1 person that keeps bringing it up as if its scripture. I get that perspective but IMO that is counterbalanced by the fact that Thirry did get a wide range of sources includby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram I think you are right in terms of SJD and he seems like a great person as well but I think the writing is on the wall for him with the rams with the drafting of both Browns. No knock on him whatsoever. Just can't keep everyone. Another great late round draft pick by Snead. In addition to the two Browns, they have Gaines who is ready for more snaps. I agree that if SJD has another grby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Thanks for the clarification. I too recall comments by McVay after the season and that he was noncommittal to Goff as the starting QB. Brooks and Silver both pointed out issues after the season too. It was strange at the time but in hindsight, they already knew they were pursuing Stafford. I didn't recall any airing of issues publicly during the season so wanted to clarify that we were thinkiby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Again you are answering when I was specifically asking someone else for their first person testimony based on their comment. Rampage said that "McVay choose to air issues out between he and Goff publicly." I want to know exactly what he's referring to. Was it public comments he made during the season or was it after the season? I also recall Thirry's article and it's one I weight veby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I've always felt Thirry's report was likely true. But nearly all of that was behind closed doors. It wasn't public. I specifically didn't address this question to you for several reasons. Nevertheless it's not surprising you're the one answering. I specifically asked Sun this question because he stated, "... I can't remember McVay behaving that way in public towards any other player likeby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- ...all we do know is that the relationship was damaged and McVay chose to air it out publicly which was very surprising from someone like McVay who is always positive about all his players. Wait, what's the timing that you're referring to here? When did McVay choose to air issues out between he and Goff publicly? Are you referring to stuff he said and did after the season?by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSunTzu_vs_Camus that I can't remember McVay behaving that way in public towards any other player like the way McVay handled Goff. It seems like it had become very personal with McVay. McVay sounded quite bitter and angry. IIRC....Goff was the only player McVay ever called out publicly like that. It was really odd behavior from McVay from what I recall. Whether it was justified or nby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteJYB QuotemoklermanSo, does one believe that McVay and Snead know what they're doing and can evaluate a player/situation, or does one believe that they are willing to pay a huge price AND misdiagnose the situation? I have no delusions about McVay being perfect but I find it very hard to believe that he would make this big of a move regarding the most important position in football without beby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Yeah, the cost-benefit probably wasn't there which is why they dropped out. They didn't have the right cap or asset situation to make it worth it. However, he is not more expensive than Woods and Kupp. They would have been getting him for a great price which likely fueled part of their interest. He would have cost them $38.3M over the next 3 years which is about $.77M more than Woods and $3.3by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteLMU93 Agreed. If the Rams are going to trade for a veteran player it shouldn't be to make a really good position group a little bit better (and would it, anyway?). It should be to make a deficient area good. Get through 2022 when they'll be in a somewhat better cap situation AND have 11 draft picks and then they can start thinking about some bold(ish) moves again for 2023.... In an ideby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams Quotezn Quotedzrams It started in mid-2018 before the SB but I get your point. No it didn't. "It" is the context of 2020. In the 2nd half of 2018 there were playcalling issues in combination with OL issues. ... I wasn't speaking of 2020 or 2019. Only 2018. In 2018, he had trouble with certain defenses and diagnosing them in addition to the issues yby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams It started in mid-2018 before the SB but I get your point. No it didn't. "It" is the context of 2020. In the 2nd half of 2018 there were playcalling issues in combination with OL issues. ... I wasn't speaking of 2020 or 2019. Only 2018. In 2018, he had trouble with certain defenses and diagnosing them in addition to the issues you mention. That strby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram Is that you focus on the forest instead of the trees. In otherwords it ignores the type of defense or specifuc teams he faced. Goff seemed to have trouble with the same teams and/or same defensive systems starting with the SB. This issue sugests the possibility that he didn't have trouble reading defenses overall but may have had trouble with certain defenses or schemes which in turnby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
We'll never know and I don't want to start a board war here, but I think Snead and McVay were going to make some type of move at QB even without Stafford. From everything we know about these guys who are both super aggressive, they don't stand pat once they're dissatisfied. They're not the sink or swim or make due with a subpar solution type. And make no mistake about it, right or wrong, McVaby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 He sees opportunities better. And he processes faster. Both of which allow him to make bigger and more frequent chunk plays than Goff could. I don’t think the above is really debatable... I'm very excited and optimistic that the Rams offense will be a top 10 unit, maybe better. I agree with ESPN that the upgrade to Stafford is significant. It seems that there are thoseby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRampage2K- To Goff's credit he had some very inconsistent coaching the last several years with all the QB coaching changes and we still won a lot of games with him..... This part is especially true. He hasn't been dealt the best deck of cards. Stafford is a 13 year vet so we should expect him to be more consistent.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 QuoteRams Junkie It would not be a surprise to see Morris take the next step to become a HC again. Assuming that Morris remains here as DC for 2 years? Yeah, that is the requirement but I suspect he won't get a HC job next year even if the defense is a top 5 unit. Why do you think Morris will last 2 years here, dz? Staley only lasted 1 year here and heby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 QuoteRams Junkie It would not be a surprise to see Morris take the next step to become a HC again. Assuming that Morris remains here as DC for 2 years? Yeah, that is the requirement but I suspect he won't get a HC job next year even if the defense is a top 5 unit.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
I think we've had this discussion in prior years. IMO, it's not a linear thing of how do we replace X amount of sacks or whether Robinson is Brocker's equal in the pass rush department. There is more than one way to accomplish a task. In our case, if Robinson, SJD, and Gaines really are formidable run defenders and we improve significantly in that area, our pass rush will be helped due to offby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
The link shows that he is under contract for 2022 and has a cap hit of $9.5M. 2023 is a void year and he will be a UFA that year.by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
There is an awful lot of irony here. I think what’s happening here is there is a reductionist or absolutist approach that both sides are using to garble the other side's positions. There is hyperbole in dismissing the supposed “hyperbolic takes.” For example, there is no “can’t process” myth. No one is saying Goff can’t process. Some are saying that he didn’t excel there or struggled in thatby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteramBRO There were so few plays to be had for either offense in that game. That late throw to a wide-open Cooks really...REALLY hurt. But like Baldy said...Stafford's mental processing and arm talent could be a crucial difference-maker for McVay's offense. I find it amazing that people buy this narrative...It's the nature of the difference. .... What is the narrative that youby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
The contract was renegotiated into a 3 year contract last year. It ends after the 2022 season. https://overthecap.com/player/ashawn-robinson/4759/by dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com
QuotePHDram i would be completely shocked if long and/or hollins were cut. I agree. If the Rams didn't think Long was ready they would have picked a vet up in free agency or drafted another CB ready to play now. Rochelle is for next year when Williams leaves. Long has also been mentioned several times by McVay as the next man up. Hollins played well last year. There's a chance he's the WOLBby dzrams - RamsFootballFans.com