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cool_hand_luke
There was a good article I read about the Eagles process of deciding to take a franchise QB in 2016. The article detailed the decision process and actions to get in position to pick a franchise Qb and how the Eagles decided on Wentz. Part of that 'deciding on' revealed their thoughts on Goff. From tthe article the two biggest differences, for the Eagles, between Goff and Wentz were 1) Familiarity with playing in cold weather and 2) What the article called 'football IQ'.
This second item intrigues me. I am pretty certain Goff learned next to nothing his rookie year under Fisher and one of the worst offensive coordinators ever in Rob Boras. So, his learniing didn't start until 2018. The Eagles liked how Wentz was familiar with the RPO concepts they wanted to install. This leads me to wonder if Wentz is currently closer to his ceiling than Goff is currently.
Watching Goff play I just shake my head and close my eyes in frustration at times. Almost always at missed opportunities. Goff is not a turnover machine like a young Favre, or a Winston. If Goff starts taking advantage of the better opportunities, which he could as a result of increasing his football knowledge, I can definitely see him as a top five QB.
I would love to know whom McVay would have selected if he was the Rams coach in 16.
I don;t agree with some of that. First off, Boras was not the passing game coordinator in 2016. That was Mike Groh. Groh is now the Eagles offensive coordinator. So the idea that Goff completely lacked coaching in 2016 to me is always a bit mythically exaggerated.
Goff came from an Air Raid college offense, and he was the first Air Raid qb, ever, to make it as an NFL franchise-caliber qb. There have since been a couple of others, but word on that is, a lot of it had to do with NFL coaches adapting to Air Raid qbs as much as the other way around. So far there has only been one who played well in the pros in his first year, and that was last year. (There may be another this year.) Air Raid qbs are further behind than most qbs from other college systems. There's more they haven't done and/or more they were NOT coached to do in college. Wentz, in contrast, played in a pro system in college. So he was a bit further ahead.
At the time, Air Raid qbs were not being adapted to the NFL as quickly as they have been since. Even Mahomes sat a year before starting.
Goff was also younger than Wentz and just overall needed further developing. His rookie year was shadowed by a lot of other issues too. First, in the last 50 years, there is only one team that has had a winning season after moving. Moving seems to have undermined the players and coaching on the OL, for one thing--the same guys were playing pretty well at the end of 2015 yet the OL was out of sync in 2016. Also, Gurley for whatever reason was not himself in 2016. That means that Goff had further to go as a rookie than Wentz, and was learning it behind a shakier OL (the Eagles OL is and has been one of the top lines in the league), and was without a reliable running game. It was a perfect storm of lots of different bad things.
McVay was a big jump in offensive coaching, but that's not just in comparison to 2016, that's in comparison to most Rams offensive coaching going back to 2006 and also in comparison to a lot of offensive coaching league wide. So I am not downplaying what McVay did.
But--along with McVay being McVay and so 2017 being better, Goff was not as ready coming out of college in 2016 as Wentz was, and he had a worse situation as a rookie, and so struggled more.
2016 was never just one thing.
I think Goff is developing just fine.IMO his real disadvantage compared to Wentz is just perceptions. Wentz does more as a physical qb and is therefore in a lot of ways flashier. In comparison, Goff's strengths are much more subtle. He is a pocket qb, but his strengths have to do with arm talent (not just arm strength) and the uncanny accuracy he can put on longer passes (15 yards or more). That kind of thing isn't always as flashy and spectacular. And I agree, he has not reached his ceiling yet. So much so that's hard to say what his ceiling will be.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 06/14/2019 06:27AM by zn.
