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Re: the Bortles treatment

May 25, 2019 08:28AM
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OTOH, there are QBs like Winston and Mariota who may not get big 2nd contracts with their current teams, and it has much to do with spending money wisely. The cap does play into these decisions along with performance. For example, Winston or Mariota may play pretty well this year, but maybe not well enough for their teams to invest big money in them. They may get the Bortles treatment or get let go all together.

Yeah, whenever I talk about qb 2nd contracts, I say it's about starting caliber qbs and whether or not you want to retain your guy or start over. I might as well say, the major 2nd contracts are for franchise qbs (franchise just meaning a guy you want to keep and keep building around). But it is entirely possible you may not see your qb that way. You call that "the Bortles treatment."

Thats really the question here.

Does Goff get the Bortles treatment? I think that is what Florio is implying. Whether he is truly sincere about it, I dunno, but Florio is saying he wouldn't be surprised if Goff got the Bottles treatment.

I'm not sure how anyone can make a case that Goff has not performed well above Bortles in Jax.

But remember "the Bortles treatment" is just a name for something. It's not literal. It doesn't mean your numbers have to be identical to Bortles. It just means you have doubts about continuing with that guy.

Florio is basing his stuff on a couple of things. One is, the Rams production is McVay not Goff. Like it or not a lot of people still think that. The other is, Goff is not McVay's guy, McVay did not draft him. I personally don't buy that but whatever.

And again, perceptions work a certain way. Goff's last 2 games of the season were Atlanta one year and New England the next. Many are going to believe what they saw in those games and put it all on Goff. To THEM he is another Winston/Mariota.

Of course Florio is sincere. There is such a thing as mistaken analysis. One of the worst things about the net is people accepting their own opinions so deeply as "the truth" that they see alternative opinions as coming from bad motives. So, since what my eyes tell me is so true it can't be doubted, this guy's different view is so unreal that he must be making it up for bad reasons. It's just another form of saying my opinion is truth, as opposed to saying there are different opinions on this naturally, but I stand by mine.

Everything I just said is completely true.

Yuck yuck.

Meaning, of course it's just an opinion but I stand by it.

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First off, there is no way you know absolutely that Florio is sincere. You just don't know for sure. Its like would you bet your life that anyone you don't know personally is sincere about anything they say? I appreciate that you believe he is sincere, but just as much as I believe others believe he isn't.

And the numbers do mean something. I don't care who the coach is, they just don't take any average QB and make him a 100 rating QB. And Goff has been over 100 rating since his 2nd year in the NFL when he was 22 years old. If that's what someone is assuming McVay can do then they are delusional, assuming they are sincere.



~ max ~
“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton
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  Florio: I would not be surprised if Goff doesn't get a second contract with the Rams."

RamBill1011May 23, 2019 02:58PM

  Re: Florio: I would not be surprised if Goff doesn't get a second contract with the Rams."

zn509May 23, 2019 03:16PM

  A little Vinny on this...

Rams43476May 23, 2019 03:19PM

  Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

Anonymous User457May 23, 2019 04:08PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

cool_hand_luke255May 23, 2019 05:00PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

zn239May 23, 2019 09:04PM

  Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract: Well Played

Anonymous User348May 24, 2019 10:00AM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract: Well Played

zn228May 24, 2019 10:31AM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract: Well Played

Anonymous User192May 24, 2019 10:43AM

  I think people have valid points to be concerned about Goff...

jemach101May 24, 2019 01:43PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

cool_hand_luke293May 24, 2019 02:28PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

zn101May 24, 2019 04:28PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

cool_hand_luke93May 24, 2019 06:05PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

zn276May 24, 2019 08:11PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

cool_hand_luke192May 24, 2019 10:14PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

zn189May 25, 2019 07:03AM

  Losing Kupp was major. Just major.

NewMexicoRam166May 23, 2019 05:22PM

  Re: So he collapsed because he didn’t have Kupp?

Speed_Kills205May 23, 2019 05:29PM

  Re: So he collapsed because he didn’t have Kupp?

jim beam302May 24, 2019 07:25AM

  and the OL too

zn129May 23, 2019 09:38PM

  Re: and the OL too

waterfield123May 24, 2019 10:00AM

  Re: Excellent post

Speed_Kills316May 23, 2019 05:23PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

Classicalwit139May 23, 2019 06:46PM

  Re: Florio: Not surprised if Goff doesn't get a 2nd contract with Rams

zn129May 23, 2019 09:48PM

  ok hes not perfect

PHDram167May 23, 2019 07:19PM

  I think there are two different things here.

Saguaro158May 24, 2019 04:39AM

  Re: I think there are two different things here.

zn259May 24, 2019 05:26AM

  I don't give him the same leeway you do.

Saguaro110May 24, 2019 06:07AM

  Re: I don't give him the same leeway you do.

zn117May 24, 2019 07:33AM

  Re: been saying this forever...

spagsbacker214May 23, 2019 05:04PM

  Re: been saying this forever...Actually yes it is

BumRap117May 24, 2019 09:46AM

  Beyond stupid...

Ram49141May 23, 2019 07:31PM

  Florio has to say stuff like that to stay relevant

Rampage2K-144May 23, 2019 08:06PM

  Re: Florio has to say stuff like that to stay relevant

zn247May 23, 2019 09:59PM

  Re: Florio has to say stuff like that to stay relevant

Killrazor351May 24, 2019 12:47AM

  Re: Now this I agree with

Speed_Kills306May 24, 2019 03:03AM

  Re: Now this I agree with

Rampage2K-116May 24, 2019 05:58PM

  They are not mutually exclusive

max124May 24, 2019 04:59AM

  that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

zn161May 24, 2019 05:10AM

  Huh? I didn't bash the writer

max309May 24, 2019 06:50AM

  I didn't say you did

zn159May 24, 2019 07:25AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

Rams43180May 24, 2019 08:20AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

zn201May 24, 2019 08:34AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

Rams43289May 24, 2019 09:01AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

zn100May 24, 2019 09:11AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

dzrams112May 24, 2019 01:14PM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

Rams43283May 24, 2019 02:09PM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

dzrams111May 24, 2019 03:44PM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

Rams43121May 25, 2019 06:02AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

zn130May 25, 2019 07:43AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

Rams43150May 25, 2019 08:19AM

  Re: that's the nature of ad hominem attacks

Rampage2K-165May 25, 2019 11:05AM

  Re: I think what you might be missing

Speed_Kills151May 25, 2019 11:44AM

  Re: Agreed on this summary....

dzrams104May 25, 2019 12:04PM

  Re: I think what you might be missing

Rampage2K-210May 25, 2019 12:07PM

  Re: I think what you might be missing

zn364May 25, 2019 12:27PM

  Re: I think what you might be missing

Rampage2K-106May 25, 2019 12:39PM

  Re: I think what you might be missing

zn75May 25, 2019 06:00PM

  Ace in the hole

moklerman167May 25, 2019 12:54PM

  Re: Ace in the hole

Rampage2K-142May 25, 2019 01:15PM

  Good work dz.... zn too

Speed_Kills104May 25, 2019 09:51AM

  He says Dak over Goff

no name217May 24, 2019 06:04AM

  Re: He says Dak over Goff

Classicalwit161May 24, 2019 08:30AM

  Re: He says Dak over Goff

zn195May 24, 2019 08:44AM

  Re: He says Dak over Goff

max126May 24, 2019 09:07AM

  Re: He says Dak over Goff

zn131May 24, 2019 09:16AM

  2 thoughts here

max159May 25, 2019 05:00AM

  Re: 2 thoughts here

zn108May 25, 2019 06:53AM

  the Bortles treatment

max124May 25, 2019 07:20AM

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zn222May 25, 2019 07:37AM

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max230May 25, 2019 08:28AM

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zn108May 25, 2019 09:19AM

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max192May 25, 2019 12:21PM

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zn214May 25, 2019 12:56PM

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max148May 25, 2019 01:17PM

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zn651May 25, 2019 02:00PM

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max167May 25, 2019 04:06PM

  Re: the Bortles treatment

zn173May 25, 2019 04:25PM

  Re: Why wouldn't that be expected?

dzrams192May 25, 2019 02:18PM

  Re: Good theoretical question...one I've alluded to on here...

dzrams241May 25, 2019 11:58AM

  Re: Good theoretical question...one I've alluded to on here...

zn417May 25, 2019 01:12PM

  Re: He says Dak was not a 1st rounder either

BumRap182May 24, 2019 09:52AM

  Re: He says Dak over Goff

cool_hand_luke103May 24, 2019 02:30PM

  Totally agree

Los Angeles Lenny189May 24, 2019 10:54AM

  Me: "I would be surprised if Florio is right."

alyoshamucci219May 24, 2019 11:19AM

  Even if he doesn't believe in Goff

no name168May 24, 2019 07:32PM

  Re: Even if he doesn't believe in Goff

cool_hand_luke125May 24, 2019 09:11PM

  here is McVay on Goff recently

Rampage2K-151May 25, 2019 11:11AM