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Re: I expected you to respond...

May 14, 2019 10:12AM
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jemach
But let's say for him to get Russell Wilson type money would be...well...stupid.

If he demands that, let him play out his 5th year...franchise tag him. He's not Donald worthy in terms of treatment IMO.

I expect him to get his market value...but it ain't no top of the list money.

Russell Wilson's current deal is not a 2nd contract. It has nothing to do with the 2nd contract amount for starting qbs in 2019.

When RW did sign a 2nd contract in 2015 he got the going market amount.

EVERY starting qb up for a 2nd contract since RW got his signed for more. Why? 2nd contracts for starters go up annually. Wilson in 2015 was 22 M; Carr in 2017 was 25 M. That's just how it works.

The kinds of considerations you are bringing to this are simply not relevant. You're not accounting for the most important thing in this, which is how 2nd contracts work for starters.

You want to keep a starter who is up for a 2nd contract, you sign him for that year's 2nd contract amount (or in the very close vicinity). If not, you don't sign him. It is honestly that simple. That's the reality.

And people went through this in the Donald debate. A starting player with a "name" (including all starter-caliber qbs) does not have to abide by a franchise tag. If he sits out the team owes the franchise tag amount against the cap anyway. If he demands a trade odds are good he gets traded. It's not worth the hassle for the team.

Essentially if the Rams do not offer more or less the set amount for 2nd contracts for starting qbs, they are announcing that they do not believe he is starter quality. If they do that, then, there's no point in keeping him.

Under the CBA, only one qb out of all of them was tagged at 2nd contract time--and that's Cousins. It was basically the same as the team saying they were ambivalent about keeping him.

As a rule things work the way they work, they don't follow the guidelines we armchair GMs try to get them to follow.
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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2019 10:33AM by zn.
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  6 players the Rams could sign to contract extensions this offseason

RamBill748May 14, 2019 04:13AM

  Re: 6 players the Rams could sign to contract extensions this offseason

CeeZar285May 14, 2019 05:05AM

  none need to be done now

LMU93237May 14, 2019 05:32AM

  disagree

PHDram238May 14, 2019 05:52AM

  Re: disagree

Ohiorams217May 14, 2019 06:58AM

  Re: disagree

PHDram202May 14, 2019 07:04AM

  Re: disagree

Ramboni194May 14, 2019 02:50PM

  I could see extending Littleton now

LMU93205May 14, 2019 07:49AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

PHDram194May 14, 2019 08:12AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

Rams43227May 14, 2019 09:01AM

  Re: none need to be done now

zn436May 14, 2019 09:58AM

  brockers

PHDram219May 14, 2019 05:50AM

  They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

David Deacon312May 14, 2019 11:11AM

  Re: They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

PHDram186May 14, 2019 11:29AM

  I would sign Goff today

LBRamsFan326May 14, 2019 09:09AM

  If we could do it for less than $30 million annually...

jemach202May 14, 2019 09:35AM

  Like against NO? (nm)

LBRamsFan179May 14, 2019 09:37AM

  You mean when we were once again stopped...

jemach205May 14, 2019 09:42AM

  Re: You mean when we were once again stopped...

LBRamsFan202May 14, 2019 09:47AM

  Re: You mean Goff............

oldschoolramfan205May 14, 2019 09:59AM

  there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

zn191May 14, 2019 10:04AM

  I expected you to respond...

jemach197May 14, 2019 10:09AM

  Re: I expected you to respond...

zn211May 14, 2019 10:12AM

  I like the way you explain this

snowman192May 14, 2019 10:27AM

  oh good

PHDram178May 14, 2019 10:43AM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams200May 14, 2019 01:38PM

  And look at the predicament

PHDram187May 14, 2019 02:01PM

  Re: And look at the predicament

dzrams167May 14, 2019 02:23PM

  You either have one or you dont

PHDram263May 14, 2019 05:34PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

dzrams190May 14, 2019 07:38PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

PHDram172May 15, 2019 06:21AM

  Re: This is an option...

zn182May 14, 2019 06:58PM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams273May 14, 2019 07:48PM

  Re: This is an option...

zn195May 14, 2019 08:00PM

  ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

SunTzu_vs_Camus186May 15, 2019 01:39AM

  Re: ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

zn283May 15, 2019 04:38AM

  Re: there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

bigjimram21147May 14, 2019 10:36AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

spagsbacker215May 14, 2019 10:13AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

bigjimram21181May 14, 2019 10:40AM

  as quarterbacks do not grow on trees

PHDram313May 14, 2019 11:26AM

  Re: I sign Bortles as well................No doubt!

oldschoolramfan166May 14, 2019 11:36AM

  sure

PHDram165May 14, 2019 12:13PM

  Re: sure

dzrams207May 15, 2019 05:07AM

  Re: beat me to it....

spagsbacker186May 14, 2019 12:20PM

  What on earth

PHDram178May 14, 2019 12:36PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan263May 14, 2019 01:13PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

PHDram262May 14, 2019 05:45PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan228May 15, 2019 05:51AM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

bigjimram21173May 15, 2019 11:18AM

  Being successful in less than ideal situations

Atlantic Ram150May 15, 2019 04:37PM

  Re: beat me to it.... Attachments

RamsFanSinceLA282May 15, 2019 10:13AM

  Re: 6 players the Rams could sign to contract extensions this offseason

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