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Re: I expected you to respond...

May 14, 2019 10:12AM
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jemach
But let's say for him to get Russell Wilson type money would be...well...stupid.

If he demands that, let him play out his 5th year...franchise tag him. He's not Donald worthy in terms of treatment IMO.

I expect him to get his market value...but it ain't no top of the list money.

Russell Wilson's current deal is not a 2nd contract. It has nothing to do with the 2nd contract amount for starting qbs in 2019.

When RW did sign a 2nd contract in 2015 he got the going market amount.

EVERY starting qb up for a 2nd contract since RW got his signed for more. Why? 2nd contracts for starters go up annually. Wilson in 2015 was 22 M; Carr in 2017 was 25 M. That's just how it works.

The kinds of considerations you are bringing to this are simply not relevant. You're not accounting for the most important thing in this, which is how 2nd contracts work for starters.

You want to keep a starter who is up for a 2nd contract, you sign him for that year's 2nd contract amount (or in the very close vicinity). If not, you don't sign him. It is honestly that simple. That's the reality.

And people went through this in the Donald debate. A starting player with a "name" (including all starter-caliber qbs) does not have to abide by a franchise tag. If he sits out the team owes the franchise tag amount against the cap anyway. If he demands a trade odds are good he gets traded. It's not worth the hassle for the team.

Essentially if the Rams do not offer more or less the set amount for 2nd contracts for starting qbs, they are announcing that they do not believe he is starter quality. If they do that, then, there's no point in keeping him.

Under the CBA, only one qb out of all of them was tagged at 2nd contract time--and that's Cousins. It was basically the same as the team saying they were ambivalent about keeping him.

As a rule things work the way they work, they don't follow the guidelines we armchair GMs try to get them to follow.
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Edited 4 time(s). Last edit at 05/14/2019 10:33AM by zn.
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  6 players the Rams could sign to contract extensions this offseason

RamBill523May 14, 2019 04:13AM

  Re: 6 players the Rams could sign to contract extensions this offseason

CeeZar118May 14, 2019 05:05AM

  none need to be done now

LMU93105May 14, 2019 05:32AM

  disagree

PHDram101May 14, 2019 05:52AM

  Re: disagree

Ohiorams73May 14, 2019 06:58AM

  Re: disagree

PHDram70May 14, 2019 07:04AM

  Re: disagree

Ramboni57May 14, 2019 02:50PM

  I could see extending Littleton now

LMU9378May 14, 2019 07:49AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

PHDram70May 14, 2019 08:12AM

  Re: I could see extending Littleton now

Rams4365May 14, 2019 09:01AM

  Re: none need to be done now

zn73May 14, 2019 09:58AM

  brockers

PHDram83May 14, 2019 05:50AM

  They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

David Deacon59May 14, 2019 11:11AM

  Re: They can save cap space this year by resigning Brockers

PHDram52May 14, 2019 11:29AM

  I would sign Goff today

LBRamsFan75May 14, 2019 09:09AM

  If we could do it for less than $30 million annually...

jemach72May 14, 2019 09:35AM

  Like against NO? (nm)

LBRamsFan44May 14, 2019 09:37AM

  You mean when we were once again stopped...

jemach67May 14, 2019 09:42AM

  Re: You mean when we were once again stopped...

LBRamsFan66May 14, 2019 09:47AM

  Re: You mean Goff............

oldschoolramfan58May 14, 2019 09:59AM

  there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

zn68May 14, 2019 10:04AM

  I expected you to respond...

jemach60May 14, 2019 10:09AM

  Re: I expected you to respond...

zn70May 14, 2019 10:12AM

  I like the way you explain this

snowman54May 14, 2019 10:27AM

  oh good

PHDram47May 14, 2019 10:43AM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams48May 14, 2019 01:38PM

  And look at the predicament

PHDram37May 14, 2019 02:01PM

  Re: And look at the predicament

dzrams44May 14, 2019 02:23PM

  You either have one or you dont

PHDram48May 14, 2019 05:34PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

dzrams55May 14, 2019 07:38PM

  Re: You either have one or you dont....I agree...

PHDram41May 15, 2019 06:21AM

  Re: This is an option...

zn52May 14, 2019 06:58PM

  Re: This is an option...

dzrams48May 14, 2019 07:48PM

  Re: This is an option...

zn58May 14, 2019 08:00PM

  ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

SunTzu_vs_Camus52May 15, 2019 01:39AM

  Re: ya know, zn...you've spent a lot of posts on this topic....

zn48May 15, 2019 04:38AM

  Re: there is no "less than" on 2nd contracts

bigjimram2129May 14, 2019 10:36AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

spagsbacker87May 14, 2019 10:13AM

  Re: I do NOT extend Goff....

bigjimram2151May 14, 2019 10:40AM

  as quarterbacks do not grow on trees

PHDram49May 14, 2019 11:26AM

  Re: I sign Bortles as well................No doubt!

oldschoolramfan47May 14, 2019 11:36AM

  sure

PHDram48May 14, 2019 12:13PM

  Re: sure

dzrams44May 15, 2019 05:07AM

  Re: beat me to it....

spagsbacker57May 14, 2019 12:20PM

  What on earth

PHDram51May 14, 2019 12:36PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan52May 14, 2019 01:13PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

PHDram61May 14, 2019 05:45PM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

oldschoolramfan65May 15, 2019 05:51AM

  Re: I love Goff as our QB..........

bigjimram2144May 15, 2019 11:18AM

  Being successful in less than ideal situations

Atlantic Ram27May 15, 2019 04:37PM

  Re: beat me to it.... Attachments

RamsFanSinceLA48May 15, 2019 10:13AM

  Re: 6 players the Rams could sign to contract extensions this offseason

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