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Re: Barely functional?

April 09, 2019 05:04PM
1. you may have a problem with it but that is precisely why trimmed means or in some cases medians are used. in cases with small samples, a mean can fluctuate dramatically with severe outliers. for example if the temperature for 7 days were as follows: 100, 100, 100, 30, 100, 100, 100. what would you expect the temperature on the 8th day to be? it would probably be ~100 (as the median or a trimmed mean would indicate), but the true average is 90. similarly, if you trying to predict what an average qb performance, a severe outlier can bias your estimation.

2. so your argument against goff seems to boil down to the fact that hes too stupid to digest a defense (and know with direction the sun sets). while its certainly possible i find it doubtful. first he scored a 36 on the wonderlich which isnt too shabby. second, when did teams suddenly take away the "pre snap communication tactic"? you note that goff declined after the KC game, so was Detroit the first team? if so, why did he perform well in AZ and SF. if its all his success is due to mcvay telling him what to do, surely he would not have played well even against inferior competition. moreover goff seemed to play better in an up temp or hurry up style which provided less time for mcvay to tell him what to do. nevertheless, perhaps im wrong. lets see what he does next year.

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The problem I have with something like a trimmed mean is that the data is already very limited. Taking 2 games out of an 8 game sample seems counterproductive in terms of analyzing how a player is playing.

You mentioned not having Kupp as a potential reason there was a drop off in Goff's production. I don't agree with that because he had his best game as a pro against KC when Kupp wasn't in the lineup. No Gurley, Anderson filled in nicely. O-line not playing as well? Based on what? The numbers don't support a significant drop off.

I certainly appreciate considering these other things but each of them don't really hold water IMO. So, I'm left with my theory. Much, if not most of Goff's success since McVay arrived was due to the pre snap communication tactic. Which there's nothing wrong with using. Many teams also use it but it seems that Goff still has much to learn when not having that resource available.

When teams took that away and the Rams weren't able to run plays up tempo, Goff struggled. Much like when he was a rookie. It seems like a plausible lynch pin to me. Take away that pre snap communication and Goff's reads, audibles and line calls/protection calls are going to suffer. So, is it more reasonable to think that there is a list of 6 or 7 different things failing throughout the coaches and players or that this one thing happened which had rippling effects?
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  Goff #6 in QB YPA over Last 2 Seasons

RamBill521April 04, 2019 03:47PM

  he's top 5-10 virtually across the board

LMU93186April 05, 2019 02:55AM

  I'm very tough on Goff

den-the-coach314April 05, 2019 03:44AM

  Re: I'm very tough on Goff

David Deacon183April 05, 2019 04:26AM

  Re: One thing I've been saying re: Goff

merlin355April 05, 2019 08:50AM

  I think that;s true

zn172April 05, 2019 10:04AM

  Re: I think that;s true

oldschoolramfan136April 05, 2019 10:51AM

  Re: really out of their minds?

Speed_Kills156April 05, 2019 10:59AM

  Re: I think so, yes

merlin133April 06, 2019 10:36PM

  And still improving....NM

PHDram130April 05, 2019 03:47AM

  Re: year 3 in McVay's system

Speed_Kills172April 05, 2019 05:57AM

  How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018?

zn209April 05, 2019 06:56AM

  Re: How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018?

LMU93169April 05, 2019 08:30AM

  Re: well here's the thing for me

Speed_Kills153April 05, 2019 10:17AM

  thats True for almost every QB

Hazlet Hacksaw127April 07, 2019 05:14AM

  Re: no not really

Speed_Kills116April 07, 2019 02:02PM

  Re: no not really

Rams43111April 07, 2019 07:07PM

  Re: no not really

Speed_Kills122April 07, 2019 07:33PM

  Re: no not really

Rams43131April 07, 2019 07:43PM

  Re: no not really

RamsFanSinceLA58April 11, 2019 07:23AM

  Numbers are on a downward trend...

moklerman130April 07, 2019 11:09PM

  being realistic

zn541April 08, 2019 04:02AM

  Re: being realistic

moklerman154April 08, 2019 05:47AM

  Re: being realistic

zn86April 08, 2019 03:56PM

  This QB had his own issues...

jemach70April 08, 2019 03:59PM

  disagree

zn79April 08, 2019 04:08PM

  Re: disagree

PHDram473April 08, 2019 05:05PM

  +1

zn87April 08, 2019 05:13PM

  Re: being realistic

moklerman83April 08, 2019 09:36PM

  Barely functional?

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PHDram66April 10, 2019 03:44AM

  To be fair please provide evidence for other top 10 QBs

BumRap74April 09, 2019 08:55PM

  Re: To be fair?

Speed_Kills75April 10, 2019 08:03AM

  Hi Buddy! My reaction to the list.

Saguaro119April 10, 2019 02:13PM

  Re: Hey dude!

Speed_Kills122April 10, 2019 03:30PM

  Re: Hey dude

zn62April 10, 2019 03:37PM

  It's funny

PHDram60April 10, 2019 04:06PM

  Re: Didn’t the Colts have the first pick?

Speed_Kills61April 10, 2019 04:22PM

  Re: How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018?

no name130April 08, 2019 03:43AM

  Re: How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018? Bingo

BumRap72April 09, 2019 08:59PM

  Goff also 4th in "failed completions" (a good thing) per FO

LMU93245April 05, 2019 06:04AM

  Re: Goff also 4th in "failed completions" (a good thing) per FO

cool_hand_luke202April 07, 2019 03:24PM

  Re: Sam Bradford says hey

merlin177April 07, 2019 08:03PM

  Agreed with other posters...

jemach234April 08, 2019 04:00PM