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Re: Barely functional?

April 09, 2019 08:29AM
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PHDram
well you did title the post being realistic...so lets cut the hyperbole and be realistic.
Actually, no, I didn't. I responded to that titled post.

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PHDram
not exactly sure which 8 ram stretch you are referring to...i calculated the final 8 games (including playoffs) as a qb rating of 77.3. that number is driven by the chicago game in which he had a qb rating of 19.1 I didnt check but i would assume the worst game of hos career). if you exclude that game its 85.6. for the season he had an average qb rating of 96.7. In any event, i agree he was better in the early part of the season then then latter, its just not quite as drastic as you suggest.
The numbers I used were for the last 8 games and I provided them. If you feel I made an error in compiling them please provide your numbers. Attempts, completions, that sort of thing. As to the last 8 games I used that for a couple of reasons. First, it's a relatively decent sample size. Not anything conclusive, mind you but a decent enough snapshot. A half a season is a reasonable time frame to see how someone's playing. Second, it came after the bye. For whatever reason, something changed at that point. Third, I didn't exclude any games good or bad. The Chicago game may have been an outlier but if we're going to start making judgment calls about which games to exclude, I'd have to also remove the 16th game against the 49ers too and it just becomes a mess. As with many things in football, the numbers find a settling point and the Bears game and 49ers game balance each other out.

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PHDram
so why could that be?

1. goff didnt play as well
2. the line (particularly the interior) did not block as well.
3. gurley was injured
4. kupp was injured.
5. mcvay failed to adjust.
6. the rams played better defenses in the latter 8 games.

to me the beauty of football is that its the ultimate team game. consequently, i think all of these things contributed to goff be less effective but its difficult to put a percent on it.
I agree and I assumed it as a given that many factors contribute to how a player is playing. Are you suggesting that those factors are responsible for the dropoff? I am inferring it from your list. 1. The numbers certainly suggest that to be true. 2. That is a possibility but the numbers don't really support it. The sack % and rushing seemed relatively in tact throughout the season. 3. I would agree that losing Gurley wasn't a plus but was the dropoff from Gurley to Anderson so great that it affected the passing game that much? 4. Reynolds was a step down from Kupp for sure but I actually thought it would lead to Goff improving. He seemed to be getting a little tunnel visioned for Kupp at times and there's no shame in getting it to Woods or Cooks, etc. 5. Not sure how to measure that. McVay's career seems to be a relative constant though. His passing game has worked for a long time now. Is it more likely that the rest of the league just now figured out how to shut him down or that they took away the communication gadget that allowed Goff to jump into the stratosphere overnight? 6. As a blanket statement, I'd agree. A playoff run is obviously going to be tougher. But the Saints, for example, weren't an uncommon opponent and the numbers are much different.

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PHDram
nevertheless, with all these things going on, the rams still had a very successful season and made the superbowl. you dont win football games with qb ratings. you win by scoring more points and that is what the rams did. moreover, goff is not a finished product. in fact, he probably should be hitting his stride in years 4, 5, and 6. thus he is likely to improve on some of his deficiencies, as will mcvay (hopefully). to me, im very optimistic about this team with goff at the helm.
I don't understand your argument here. No one's saying the team didn't do well overall and I think I was clear in what I was looking at. Goff's numbers took a significant nose dive after the bye and then remained there. To go from MVP candidate and the game he had against the Chiefs to what he looked like in the SB is reason for examination. Goff HAS to be a part of that conversation and IMO, the rest isn't critical enough to transform his level of play the way that it did.
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  Goff #6 in QB YPA over Last 2 Seasons

RamBill521April 04, 2019 03:47PM

  he's top 5-10 virtually across the board

LMU93185April 05, 2019 02:55AM

  I'm very tough on Goff

den-the-coach313April 05, 2019 03:44AM

  Re: I'm very tough on Goff

David Deacon182April 05, 2019 04:26AM

  Re: One thing I've been saying re: Goff

merlin355April 05, 2019 08:50AM

  I think that;s true

zn172April 05, 2019 10:04AM

  Re: I think that;s true

oldschoolramfan136April 05, 2019 10:51AM

  Re: really out of their minds?

Speed_Kills155April 05, 2019 10:59AM

  Re: I think so, yes

merlin133April 06, 2019 10:36PM

  And still improving....NM

PHDram129April 05, 2019 03:47AM

  Re: year 3 in McVay's system

Speed_Kills171April 05, 2019 05:57AM

  How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018?

zn208April 05, 2019 06:56AM

  Re: How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018?

LMU93169April 05, 2019 08:30AM

  Re: well here's the thing for me

Speed_Kills153April 05, 2019 10:17AM

  thats True for almost every QB

Hazlet Hacksaw126April 07, 2019 05:14AM

  Re: no not really

Speed_Kills116April 07, 2019 02:02PM

  Re: no not really

Rams43111April 07, 2019 07:07PM

  Re: no not really

Speed_Kills121April 07, 2019 07:33PM

  Re: no not really

Rams43131April 07, 2019 07:43PM

  Re: no not really

RamsFanSinceLA58April 11, 2019 07:23AM

  Numbers are on a downward trend...

moklerman130April 07, 2019 11:09PM

  being realistic

zn541April 08, 2019 04:02AM

  Re: being realistic

moklerman154April 08, 2019 05:47AM

  Re: being realistic

zn84April 08, 2019 03:56PM

  This QB had his own issues...

jemach70April 08, 2019 03:59PM

  disagree

zn78April 08, 2019 04:08PM

  Re: disagree

PHDram473April 08, 2019 05:05PM

  +1

zn87April 08, 2019 05:13PM

  Re: being realistic

moklerman83April 08, 2019 09:36PM

  Barely functional?

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PHDram65April 10, 2019 03:44AM

  To be fair please provide evidence for other top 10 QBs

BumRap73April 09, 2019 08:55PM

  Re: To be fair?

Speed_Kills75April 10, 2019 08:03AM

  Hi Buddy! My reaction to the list.

Saguaro119April 10, 2019 02:13PM

  Re: Hey dude!

Speed_Kills121April 10, 2019 03:30PM

  Re: Hey dude

zn62April 10, 2019 03:37PM

  It's funny

PHDram60April 10, 2019 04:06PM

  Re: Didn’t the Colts have the first pick?

Speed_Kills60April 10, 2019 04:22PM

  Re: How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018?

no name130April 08, 2019 03:43AM

  Re: How many top 10 defenses did the Rams play in 2018? Bingo

BumRap72April 09, 2019 08:59PM

  Goff also 4th in "failed completions" (a good thing) per FO

LMU93245April 05, 2019 06:04AM

  Re: Goff also 4th in "failed completions" (a good thing) per FO

cool_hand_luke202April 07, 2019 03:24PM

  Re: Sam Bradford says hey

merlin177April 07, 2019 08:03PM

  Agreed with other posters...

jemach234April 08, 2019 04:00PM