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Re: Good points both of you

February 09, 2019 06:17AM
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Speed_Kills
I think for me it’s that he has looked so bad when things don’t go well

I mean he completely falls apart

Is that true? He didn't come back against the Saints twice on the road? (Though they lost one). They also came back from down late in 2 tough wins over Seattle. Green Bay too.

Whatever the 2017 Vikes game, and the 2018 Chi, Phil, and Patz games have in common, I don't think it gets down simply to Goff not looking good when things don't go well. (Also remember in those games the relatively green McVay is facing accomplished cagey older veteran D coordinators---Fangio, Schwartz. BB ).

In fact given ALL the things that didn't go well in those games (no run, OL struggling, high percentage of pressure, unexpected coverages and other surprises, playcaller not adjusting the way a veteran playcaller would)...

I think most if not all qbs would be less effective under those conditions. Particularly a young one.

The best qb IMO playing now who still plays well under that kind of duress is Wilson, and the Rams have sometimes even turned him into less than himself.

Having said all that...I;m just making a case. It's completely expected that different people would see all this differently. And needless to say, those differences are not just expected, they're fine (obviously) So I am not doing a "be a real Rams fan Goff-hater!" kind of thing. Just making a case for a different view. I respect the differences. I know you know that but now and then it's useful to wave the "respect differences" flag for the sake of a stray reader or 2.



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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2019 06:29AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Vikings Jared Goff v Bears/Pats Jared Goff

Speed_Kills476February 08, 2019 05:53PM

  completely disagree

zn187February 08, 2019 06:14PM

  Re:Goff is the SAME...the circumstances changed--Peyton Manning Comp

Steve101February 08, 2019 11:07PM

  Re: Good points both of you

Speed_Kills88February 09, 2019 04:49AM

  Re: Good points both of you

zn68February 09, 2019 06:17AM

  Facts are not relevant

waterfield45February 09, 2019 09:17AM

  Re: sort of like Gurley being too hurt to contribute

Speed_Kills47February 09, 2019 10:46AM

  I think that's true, he was too hurt to play 100%

zn35February 09, 2019 11:48AM

  we're approaching this differently W

zn44February 09, 2019 11:49AM

  Re: Good points both of you

RamsFanSinceLA31February 12, 2019 07:32AM

  not many QBs can do well when they are one dimensional

ferragamo7969February 08, 2019 06:25PM

  Re: Vikings Jared Goff v Bears/Pats Jared Goff Attachments

Ram49102February 08, 2019 06:31PM

  Michael Irvin on Inside the NFL

RamBill130February 08, 2019 07:07PM

  Fantastic breakdown, thanks

Ram4979February 08, 2019 07:27PM

  Re: Michael Irvin on Inside the NFL

zn112February 08, 2019 08:50PM

  Yep cant do that if Kupp is there

Hazlet Hacksaw61February 09, 2019 05:09AM

  If cooks makes those catches

PHDram75February 09, 2019 04:25AM

  Exactly

Ram4948February 09, 2019 08:07AM

  Re: Cooks

Speed_Kills65February 09, 2019 04:55AM

  I don’t think he’s top 10.......

Rampage2K-119February 08, 2019 07:53PM

  Re: top 5?

Speed_Kills73February 09, 2019 05:10AM

  Re: top 5?

Rams4360February 09, 2019 06:04AM

  Re: it’s ok 43 we can disagree on where he slots

Speed_Kills42February 09, 2019 08:18AM

  Re: it’s ok 43 we can disagree on where he slots

Rams4341February 09, 2019 08:23AM

  Re: Yup

Speed_Kills34February 09, 2019 08:34AM

  no way do I put Cam Newton

ferragamo7941February 09, 2019 07:10AM

  Re: ok but I bet you more people

Speed_Kills34February 09, 2019 08:32AM

  we will have a better idea

ferragamo7931February 09, 2019 02:54PM

  Re: yeah its killing me

Speed_Kills30February 09, 2019 05:00PM

  Re: we will have a better idea

AlbaNY_Ram27February 10, 2019 04:58AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rampage2K-68February 09, 2019 08:44AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rams4335February 09, 2019 09:03AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rampage2K-40February 09, 2019 09:18AM

  This might make you feel better.......Tom Brady's 7 worst games

Rampage2K-54February 09, 2019 09:21AM

  Re: top 5?

dzrams35February 09, 2019 09:34AM

  I rate him top 8- top 10 at worst

LMU9336February 09, 2019 01:15PM

  Re: I rate him top 8- top 10 at worst

Speed_Kills35February 09, 2019 05:02PM

  I'll be a little bit vague here...

LMU9363February 10, 2019 04:10AM

  Re: I'll be a little bit vague here...

zn33February 10, 2019 05:54AM

  Re: Good list.

Speed_Kills38February 10, 2019 06:50AM

  Re: Good list.

Rampage2K-46February 10, 2019 07:56AM

  Re: Good list.

dzrams28February 10, 2019 08:57AM

  Ryan did have an advantage early

zn30February 10, 2019 09:22AM

  Re: Idk

Speed_Kills35February 10, 2019 09:41AM

  Re: Idk

zn36February 10, 2019 10:12AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

Speed_Kills39February 10, 2019 10:57AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

dzrams28February 10, 2019 11:15AM

  Re: Thx dz. now we are talking

Speed_Kills35February 10, 2019 11:58AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

zn25February 10, 2019 11:39AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

dzrams27February 10, 2019 12:29PM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

zn25February 10, 2019 01:15PM

  Re: Idk

GroundPounder44February 10, 2019 04:06PM

  Re: Idk

zn36February 10, 2019 04:24PM

  Re: Idk

GroundPounder33February 10, 2019 05:07PM

  Re: Idk

zn32February 10, 2019 05:14PM

  Re: Idk

Rams4319February 11, 2019 07:30AM

  Goff has a winning record against your list of QBs

JoeMad32February 12, 2019 07:56AM

  top 10 QB with McVay Gurley Kupp

Rams_8157February 09, 2019 12:33PM

  Goff v Vikings highlights

Speed_Kills41February 10, 2019 07:27AM

  Step back for a while

max75February 10, 2019 11:59AM

  Re: Step back for a while

Rampage2K-45February 10, 2019 03:04PM

  Re: good stuff max

Speed_Kills39February 11, 2019 06:11AM

  Re: good stuff max

Rams4330February 11, 2019 07:36AM

  Speed....

zn39February 12, 2019 02:36PM

  I dunno Speed

max28February 12, 2019 01:06PM