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September 24, 2018 02:05PM
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Yep I pretty much agree with all of this.

To be honest, the OLB situation is very close to what I think a lot of us expected so for me, I don't really use the word disappointing. I never had high expectations for that group this year.

My consistent position has been that we didn't have good OLBs last year either, it was a weakness then too, yet we were fine. 12th in points allowed. This year, the DL and secondary got much stronger with the same OLB weakness.

So far the result is good. I'm not experiencing much angst at all...that said, I'm fairly certain they address the position in the offseason. I'd be surprised to see them address it during the season but Snead and Co. are ever opportunistic so if a good trade presented itself, who knows.

Well...they were better last year.

Again, 21 sacks just from OLBs in 2017. That's appx. 1.3 a game. And that was without Suh. So far this year it's 0.33 a game. And that includes playing a couple of beat-up OLs.

They do have talent at DL and in the secondary so I don't know how much of an issue it will be.

But logic alone says it will be some kind of issue.

Sacks directly relate to scoring since stats show that a team that gets sacked on a drive has a significantly lower chance to convert 3rd down. That means a sack has a fairly high percentage chance of subtracting a series and therefore a scoring opportunity.

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At first glance with stats, yeah they were better. But stats aren't everything. Or more specifically, one stat doesn't tell the whole story. As I posted yesterday, we can't make an apples to apples comparison because Wade is calling things completely different this year.

Blitzing #'s: 2017 40%; 2018 18%.

That's a huge difference. That alone can account for the difference in sacks.

Everything is not personnel so unless someone can show a way to decipher between what's personnel and what's scheme, I'm gonna assume that the huge disparity in sack percentage is due to the blatantly obvious stat that jumps out.

IOW, I think it's an issue of Wade's choosing.

Part of the reason Wade is going this route could be because, while I agree that sacks are important, Wade (and former DC GW for that matter) are on record as stating that QB pressure is more important. As long as he's getting sufficient pressure with only rushing 3 or 4, he can shut down the run game and smother the passing attack.

Look at the results.

So Wade blitzes when he had OLBs and now doesn't when he doesn't? Not sure that's it.

BTW I don't care about stats, I care about sacks. They could get them last year, so far this year they can't.

They're not getting qb pressure from the outside either.

Sooner or later that's a flaw that will bite you.

It's a good enough defense to do a lot of things, but, not only is lacking an outside rush a flaw that will cause problems somewhere along the line, my bet is that they jump all over themselves addressing it in the off-season.

It reminds me of the discussions where some people dismissed the Rams redzone issues last year because after all they were high in scoring. Yet if you look at the Rams they themselves clearly knew about the issue, did not dismiss it, directly addressed it, and so far the results seem to be better. So my bet is that in a similar vein, after the season they don't act like lacking an outside rush is okay--they make sure they fix it.

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My opinion isn't so much that it's Wade blitzes when he had OLBs and now doesn't when he doesn't because for one, I maintain it's too early to know if personnel, i.e. not having OLBs relative to last year, is the issue.

I think Wade chooses to not blitz this year because 1) he thinks he can generate a pass rush just fine with Donald, Suh, Brockers and one more body, and 2) better run D and the ability to play zone coverages with 7/8 bodies back.

I do agree that they will decisively address the issue after the season; just like they did after last season where they drafted multiple OLBs and DEs. My position isn't that the edge rush is good this year; it's that it's not much worse, if any, than last year.

I don't know if anyone measure QB pressure from the outside but I clearly recall last season and after three games, we weren't getting any then either. The OLBs last year also weren't containing the run at this state of the season. I know both of these things because I clearly remember posting with disgust in the GT forum around game 3 or 4 that after the season ALL of our LBs would be replaced.

I think he knows he has no pass rush and so traded coverage for sacks. Teams will hurry throws against Donald/Suh but that will be into coverage. If they had an actual outside rush then that would be even more dangerous.

You could watch the OLBs last year and tell when they had pressure from the outside. Quinn was ineffective for a while but got it back. That was all visible, it wasn't just in the numbers. Longacre was effective for a while but then lost it probably due to injury. Either way this group is not going to be 4th in sacks .

In terms of blitzing last year, only 4 sacks total out of 48 go to someone other than a DL or OLB. It could be they rushed 5 instead of 4 and that gets called blitzing, but about 44% of the sacks go to OLBs, and 48% to DL.

Notice that the issue with the run last year was the inside. Which is why they replaced AO and got Suh. On the outside they relied on what they already had.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/24/2018 02:05PM by zn.
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  Where in the world are Donald and Joyner

ferragamo791137September 23, 2018 03:06PM

  Re: Where in the world are Donald and Joyner

CarolinaRam593September 23, 2018 03:09PM

  Maybe the Rams miss Quinn

Speed_Kills512September 23, 2018 03:11PM

  Re: Maybe the Rams miss Quinn

zn350September 23, 2018 03:18PM

  correct nm

Speed_Kills211September 23, 2018 03:20PM

  Re: Maybe the Rams miss Quinn

max259September 23, 2018 04:25PM

  They do miss Quinn

RamBill373September 23, 2018 04:21PM

  Maybe Suh and Donald need to start earning their money.

SUretHing338September 23, 2018 05:12PM

  Re: Maybe Suh and Donald need to start earning their money.

zn469September 23, 2018 05:16PM

  Sacks is not the whole story

SUretHing244September 23, 2018 05:22PM

  Re: Sacks is not the whole story

zn202September 23, 2018 05:23PM

  Add up what they spend

SUretHing331September 23, 2018 05:27PM

  Re: Add up what they spend

zn210September 23, 2018 05:30PM

  Simple question

SUretHing197September 23, 2018 05:34PM

  Re: Add up what they spend

bigjimram21140September 24, 2018 11:53AM

  Suh was getting blown off the ball

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  Re: My perspective: 12 points / game....

dzrams222September 23, 2018 05:51PM

  Re: My perspective: 12 points / game....

bigjimram21146September 24, 2018 11:56AM

  Re: They do miss Quinn

badgerdms207September 24, 2018 06:09PM

  Just wondering. based on what?

SUretHing257September 23, 2018 05:06PM

  Re: Just wondering. based on what?

zn211September 23, 2018 05:12PM

  Where where they in points allowed?

SUretHing234September 23, 2018 05:16PM

  Re: Where where they in points allowed?

zn202September 23, 2018 05:17PM

  Re: Where where they in points allowed?

SUretHing189September 23, 2018 05:23PM

  Re: Where where they in points allowed?

zn204September 23, 2018 05:28PM

  Re: Where where they in points allowed?

SUretHing203September 23, 2018 05:33PM

  Re: Maybe the Rams miss Quinn

badgerdms135September 24, 2018 06:07PM

  Re: Where in the world are Donald and Joyner

reggae325September 23, 2018 03:10PM

  Funny.. last year this board

SUretHing431September 23, 2018 05:10PM

  some were

zn240September 23, 2018 05:18PM

  Most

SUretHing241September 23, 2018 05:24PM

  Re: Most

zn197September 23, 2018 05:35PM

  Why?

SUretHing203September 23, 2018 05:36PM

  Re: Most

badgerdms141September 24, 2018 06:19PM

  Re: Most

zn135September 24, 2018 06:42PM

  He was though

Speedball89276September 23, 2018 05:46PM

  Re: Funny.. last year this board

badgerdms132September 24, 2018 06:16PM

  Several things occur to me in this discussion...

Rams43241September 24, 2018 09:43AM

  Re: Several things occur to me in this discussion...

dzrams293September 24, 2018 10:59AM

  Re: Several things occur to me in this discussion...

zn152September 24, 2018 11:33AM

  Re: Several things occur to me in this discussion...

Rams43148September 24, 2018 11:46AM

  People are looking for explanations on why Donald isn't producing

max151September 24, 2018 01:07PM

  Re: People are looking for explanations on why Donald isn't producing

zn123September 24, 2018 06:53PM

  Re: Several things occur to me in this discussion...

dzrams149September 24, 2018 11:53AM

  Re: Several things occur to me in this discussion...

zn141September 24, 2018 12:48PM

  Re: Two reasons wny Wade blitzed more...

dzrams297September 24, 2018 01:50PM

  Re: Two reasons wny Wade blitzed more...

zn158September 24, 2018 02:05PM

  Re: Where in the world are Donald and Joyner

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  After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

Rams43136September 24, 2018 02:10PM

  Re: After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

max136September 24, 2018 02:15PM

  Re: After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

zn143September 24, 2018 02:23PM

  Re: After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

Rams43140September 24, 2018 02:39PM

  AD not impacting the game nearly to the level of his salary

max151September 24, 2018 02:59PM

  Re: AD not impacting the game nearly to the level of his salary

zn138September 24, 2018 04:07PM

  Re: AD not impacting the game nearly to the level of his salary

max130September 24, 2018 04:22PM

  Re: AD not impacting the game nearly to the level of his salary

zn130September 24, 2018 04:43PM

  Re: After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

max128September 24, 2018 04:05PM

  Re: After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

zn135September 24, 2018 05:11PM

  Re: After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

Hollywood Ram133September 24, 2018 02:27PM

  Re: After 3 games, it’s safe to say that our D is not yet complete...

Hollywood Ram133September 24, 2018 02:29PM

  that's true...but...

zn139September 24, 2018 02:36PM

  Hard to complain about the #1 scoring defense in the league

Rampage2K-152September 24, 2018 03:36PM

  An interesting related post by BonifayRam...

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  Re: An interesting related post by BonifayRam...

bigjimram21253September 25, 2018 06:18AM

  Right now Donald is getting covered cause we're winning

max212September 25, 2018 06:21AM

  Re: Right now Donald is getting covered cause we're winning

zn140September 25, 2018 05:28PM

  those arent numbers that count

max132September 25, 2018 07:41PM

  Re: those arent numbers that count

zn134September 25, 2018 07:56PM

  Who knows

Speedball89156September 24, 2018 07:18PM