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Re: What confuses me is...

August 19, 2018 11:31AM
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JamesJM
Why you are defining the issue for others when it's clearly not that to some. It's bigger than that.

Frankly I don't know where the evidence leads... I could be surprised, but they 'eyeball' test tells me their is less playing time for starters in preseason today than historically. Now that may be a 'good' thing... again, it's that balancing act... injuries/preparedness. It's not about McVay other than which way he leans... and certainly not about Oakland vs LA. At least that's the topic I'm considering. - JamesJM

Others can be wrong James. Saying so is never a sin. Not in real debate. And of course people get to respond, rebut, clarify, etc. For example your entire post here makes the argument that I can't say what I am saying. I don't take issue with you doing that. Instead, my response is, sure I can, and here's why. Either way it is perfectly legitimate to say that logically and based on the facts, x is not the key issue here, y is. That's just normal debate.

The issue isn't "should the starters play in the preseason" because the Rams never made that an issue in anything they said. That is, they are not openly saying you don't start starters in the pre-season.

So as I see all this, the issue is---given the importance of playing starters in the preseason, did McVay make the right decision regarding the unique situation in game 2?

When it came to game 2, the situation is unique...both coaches rested starters because the 2 teams face each other again in week 1 of the regular season. To drive that home, here' s McVay and then a reporter on that:

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(On whether starters would have played if it was not for the season opener against Oakland)

....there was definitely an element of, ‘Because we play them in the opening week’ why we did that.

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Lindsey Thiry@LindseyThiry
Sean McVay says there were some other factors, but the fact Rams open the season against the Raiders is a reason no starters played today.

So I take it that the main reason neither coach put starters on the field is, to quote McVay, "Because we play them in the opening week." And that IS a unique situation (can you name the last time it happened? As far as you know, has it ever happened?)

So I think it is off base to say "the issue is whether or not you starter starters in the preseason." I think the issue is "do the unique circumstances of this game (as defined above) warrant sitting starters?"

I have not seen anyone associated with the Rams defend or embrace the idea that you NEVER play starters in the pre-season.

Instead I have seen them defend the idea that IF YOU ARE PLAYING A PRESEASON GAME AGAINST A TEAM YOU OPEN AGAINST IN THE REGULAR SEASON, then THAT is a reason to not play the starters.

As a result of seeing it that way, I can't really participate in a debate about whether or not you play starters in the pre-season, because given how I see the issue, that's not a real debate. Of course you do. The question for me is whether you make an exception in these circumstances.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/19/2018 11:41AM by zn.
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  Sean McVay expects some Rams starters to play vs. Texans

RamBill569August 19, 2018 05:42AM

  Not playing starters in preseason is a bad idea IMO...

jemach167August 19, 2018 05:49AM

  Re: Not playing starters in preseason is a bad idea IMO...

zn215August 19, 2018 06:01AM

  I claim to be no expert...but...

jemach132August 19, 2018 06:10AM

  Re: I claim to be no expert...but...

zn126August 19, 2018 06:17AM

  When I have a free day...

jemach100August 19, 2018 06:31AM

  I don't think you're responding to the real argument

zn99August 19, 2018 06:58AM

  It has everything to do with...

jemach86August 19, 2018 09:46AM

  Re: It has everything to do with...

zn72August 19, 2018 11:05AM

  Re: I claim to be no expert...but...

Rampage2K-72August 19, 2018 02:26PM

  Re: Not playing starters in preseason is a bad idea IMO...

Classicalwit61August 19, 2018 02:59PM

  He's just being coy

zn250August 19, 2018 05:55AM

  Re: He's just being coy

AlbaNY_Ram98August 19, 2018 06:03AM

  Yeah...

jemach90August 19, 2018 06:13AM

  Re: Yeah...

AlbaNY_Ram94August 19, 2018 06:21AM

  So Gruden took MaVay's queue?

jemach73August 19, 2018 09:49AM

  neither

zn66August 19, 2018 11:06AM

  We’ll see

max90August 19, 2018 07:07AM

  Re: We’ll see

zn98August 19, 2018 07:13AM

  That could be true....

JamesJM70August 19, 2018 07:17AM

  Re: That could be true....

zn70August 19, 2018 07:36AM

  Does that matter?

JamesJM89August 19, 2018 08:09AM

  yes

zn121August 19, 2018 09:01AM

  Disagree. (nm)

JamesJM133August 19, 2018 09:36AM

  You've got a bet.

max75August 19, 2018 08:23AM

  Re: You've got a bet.

zn84August 19, 2018 09:08AM

  What confuses me is...

JamesJM67August 19, 2018 09:45AM

  Re: What confuses me is...

zn80August 19, 2018 11:31AM

  Not at all....

JamesJM59August 19, 2018 11:55AM

  Re: Not at all....

zn66August 19, 2018 12:08PM

  James...for fun

zn64August 19, 2018 12:39PM

  Hilarious....

JamesJM72August 19, 2018 12:46PM

  Re: You've got a bet.

max63August 19, 2018 12:10PM

  I think that the larger issue is that the fans deserve better...

Rams43279August 19, 2018 09:17AM

  Re: I think that the larger issue is that the fans deserve better...

Atlantic Ram59August 19, 2018 07:24PM

  ZN is correct-on the nature of the argument

waterfield106August 19, 2018 01:08PM

  LOL... so you too, huh?

JamesJM69August 19, 2018 01:13PM

  Re: LOL... so you too, huh?

Speedball8973August 19, 2018 01:53PM

  Re: LOL... so you too, huh?

waterfield68August 19, 2018 02:05PM

  You have little to worry about...

JamesJM69August 19, 2018 02:20PM

  Re: You have little to worry about...

zn77August 19, 2018 02:45PM

  Re: You have little to worry about...

waterfield69August 19, 2018 02:47PM

  That's fair...

JamesJM75August 19, 2018 03:17PM

  Re: That's fair...

zn67August 19, 2018 03:28PM

  Go take a look...

JamesJM90August 19, 2018 03:32PM