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Re: I disagree too, Wade disagrees...

July 17, 2018 07:34AM
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Before 2017 he has zero picks and never started more than 8 games. Last year he missed 4 due to injury.

Players like that don’t get a big commitment.

Joyner not starting more games prior to 2017 is the fault of the previous coaching staff.

Wade is on record as saying when he arrived and reviewed tape of all the players, he said, "Joyner is one of the best defenders and needs to play every snap." That's why he moved him to full time starting safety.

Joyner then played like a top 5 safety.

I would say the word "fault" there is misused.

Joyner played a lot.

But the fact that he did not fit that scheme's version of a FS doesn't mean something happened that is blameworthy. It was just a different scheme.

For Wms the safety had to be the last line of defense for a team that blitzed frequently. A former LB, Mo Alexander, fit that profile and was assessed after 2016 as having played well. He did not fit Wade's scheme but so be it...a casualty of regime/scheme change.

Joyner nevertheless, as LMU points out, played a lot. As the nickel back he was more of a starter in Wms scheme than the OLBs were. And a versatile nickel safety he was too--effective not only in coverage but on blitzes too.

So in effect he did start. Just not at FS.

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That's a valid perspective. I didn't like Fisher but I was a fan of GW and his scheme. Joyner not being a full time starter could likely be attributed to difference in scheme.

The main thing I was trying to convey was that it wasn't Joyner's bad play or being a bad player that was the reason for him not playing every snap.
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  Source: No long-term deal expected between Rams, Lamarcus Joyner

RamBill784July 15, 2018 05:19PM

  Have fun on the safety market next year LaMarcus

promomasterj399July 16, 2018 10:37AM

  Re: Unlikely to sign long term: Rams to draft safety

leafnose292July 16, 2018 10:37AM

  Draft, develop, reload.

promomasterj228July 16, 2018 11:52AM

  "so much cap going to so few players"

RFIP201July 16, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: "so much cap going to so few players"

Rams43201July 16, 2018 02:47PM

  Re: "so much cap going to so few players"

The Professor116July 17, 2018 01:51PM

  Re: "so much cap going to so few players"

LMU9388July 17, 2018 06:29PM

  Re: Draft, develop, reload.

leafnose244July 16, 2018 06:36PM

  Rams overpaid and Joyner knows it...

jemach289July 16, 2018 01:18PM

  Re: Rams overpaid and Joyner knows it...

george_allen328July 16, 2018 04:04PM

  Re: Rams overpaid and Joyner knows it...

zn225July 16, 2018 07:16PM

  A number of reasons...

jemach153July 17, 2018 08:38AM

  Joyner has had 1 good year out of 4

max194July 16, 2018 11:18PM

  I disagree

LMU93281July 17, 2018 03:16AM

  yeah

zn161July 17, 2018 04:28AM

  0 picks in 3 years

max138July 17, 2018 06:42AM

  5th ranked SS in NFL after his first year in his new position

Rampage2K-393July 17, 2018 08:25AM

  there’s no doubt Fisher mishandled Joyner

max131July 17, 2018 08:31AM

  gotta disagree

zn177July 17, 2018 09:37AM

  Re: I disagree

Speedball89143July 17, 2018 08:24AM

  Re: I disagree too, Wade disagrees...

dzrams159July 17, 2018 05:13AM

  Re: I disagree too, Wade disagrees...

zn197July 17, 2018 06:43AM

  Re: I disagree too, Wade disagrees...

dzrams174July 17, 2018 07:34AM

  I would basically agree with this...

jemach131July 17, 2018 08:43AM

  Re: Source: No long-term deal will ever come

Steve138July 18, 2018 12:07AM