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Re: false dichotomy

July 13, 2018 09:48AM
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I do agree he is worth 2 pro bowl players...which would be 22-25 million right?

But, there has to be a limit. HE isn't as valuable as Goff to the team, and we have a sallary cap. sumtin' gotta give.

Would have rather have 40 million (after tax) in the bank and a super bowl victory, or 65 million in the bank and no super bowl? I'll take the super bowl, and so would most. AD can't see that now at 27 years old, but some day he will.
And, yes, I do know that 65 mill and the superbowl vict is the best answer.


Spoilin' a super bowl run ain't fun, but it is his perogative. Ya, he really needs the extra 25 mill to live on....lol

THIS IS NOT the difference between a $120k salar and a 90k salary. the 'net' difference is the diff between living well and scraping by (in a big metro city).

I love the word ''dichotomy"---good job ZN!

Every player faces the "you should accept less than your market value" argument and when it comes to second contracts, which is the big payoff contract for most players (ie. you don't even know if you will have a third contract), they rarely if ever give a hometeam discount (in fact I can't think of anyone). It;s the market and how it works. The "but you don't need the money" arguments from we fans who want them to sign for less never makes a dent---and I think, rightly so. Our moral vision of how much money players should be content to live with is just not a factor. Some people cite Brady as an example (a lonely example) of a player content to take less...but that's not really a fair comparison. In his 2nd and 3rd contracts Brady absolutely cashed in and at one point was absolutely the highest paid player in the league. He didn't start doing the hometeam discount stuff until after that, after he had already made his 100 + a lot more millions. Meanwhile to this point Donald has been paid 11 M for 4 years, which is just laughably way below his market value as a player.

And the way I see the math yes they can sign both Donald and Goff and have room for a core group of other top contracts. I don't see the cap as an issue. They say 60% of the cap goes to your top players and in the 2020 the cap will be 200 M. That's workable. I don't have any worries there.

Same discussion came up in 2000 when Zygmunt balked at paying Warner what he was worth and went public with that sentiment. The then version of this board debated that and a lot of posters sided with management and suggest Warner was asking too much. I defended Warner then. I think it's the same thing now, defending Donald.


....

I don't remember anybody complaining about Warner getting 6 years $47M after what he had just done for this long suffering franchise???

Man I wish we still had archives of those days on the herd.....

Wow....crazy how much more money scrubs make these days than a league MVP Super Bowl winning QB less the 20 years agoconfused smiley

When will this "well I need $X million more than the last guy" type of cycle end??? The current system is just simply unsustainable.

It is no wonder most people are simply priced out of just going to games these days, let alone P$L's.....
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  2 pieces on Donald

zn897July 12, 2018 03:57AM

  plus some tweets

zn294July 12, 2018 04:45AM

  Re: DL has elite ranking in game and we lost

merlin184July 12, 2018 07:00AM

  false dichotomy

zn124July 12, 2018 08:13AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Steve70July 13, 2018 05:06AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn65July 13, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Rampage2K-70July 13, 2018 09:48AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn65July 13, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: false dichotomy

dzrams57July 13, 2018 08:37AM

  more tweets

zn112July 12, 2018 07:51PM

  and even more stuff

zn65July 16, 2018 05:37PM

  and still even more stuff

zn38July 20, 2018 07:29PM

  I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

jemach126July 12, 2018 04:56AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

zn101July 12, 2018 05:15AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

LMU9392July 12, 2018 05:40AM

  I Agree on guaranteed money...

jemach36July 13, 2018 03:45AM

  Re: IF AD is not worth the money.........

oldschoolramfan40July 14, 2018 05:48AM

  i posted well in advance of that poll...

jemach39July 13, 2018 03:47AM

  Re

zn43July 13, 2018 04:06AM

  I tend to be an early adopter...

jemach40July 16, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

Ramsdude88July 12, 2018 06:31AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

dzrams61July 12, 2018 10:08AM

  So you compare this team to last years team?

jemach37July 13, 2018 03:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-140July 12, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams99July 12, 2018 10:17AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

zn90July 12, 2018 10:34AM

  Re: We don't know the numbers but...

dzrams83July 12, 2018 10:45AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-66July 12, 2018 10:39AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams51July 12, 2018 11:42AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-66July 12, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams48July 12, 2018 01:23PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-42July 12, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram84July 12, 2018 10:35AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-63July 12, 2018 10:44AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams72July 12, 2018 11:46AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-45July 12, 2018 12:54PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams61July 12, 2018 01:06PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-45July 12, 2018 01:47PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn50July 12, 2018 02:13PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-46July 12, 2018 02:40PM

  no that's not the case

zn47July 12, 2018 02:52PM

  kind of like Watkins imo

Atlantic Ram44July 12, 2018 03:07PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams43July 12, 2018 05:09PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn45July 12, 2018 05:22PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram60July 12, 2018 07:57PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams49July 12, 2018 08:02PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram38July 12, 2018 10:17PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn36July 13, 2018 08:08AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram41July 13, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams43July 13, 2018 08:48AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram56July 13, 2018 09:24AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Ramsdude74July 13, 2018 02:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn79July 13, 2018 04:26AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams45July 12, 2018 05:27PM

  I would be surprised if less than $23M

Atlantic Ram66July 12, 2018 03:11PM

  +1 (NM)

zn37July 13, 2018 09:05AM

  Agree to a point.

RockRam71July 14, 2018 05:05AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

zn56July 14, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

VANRAM68July 16, 2018 01:27AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

Rams4340July 16, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams42July 16, 2018 07:31AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4341July 16, 2018 07:49AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams40July 16, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4337July 16, 2018 09:38AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Ramsdude38July 16, 2018 10:04AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams33July 16, 2018 11:16AM

  4th reason

AlbaNY_Ram32July 17, 2018 05:55AM

  but at tag prices

zn40July 16, 2018 10:27AM

  Re: but at tag prices

Ken36July 16, 2018 12:12PM

  Not play under the tag? Of course he will.

RockRam40July 17, 2018 02:49AM

  nope

zn38July 17, 2018 04:29AM

  He IS signed! That's the point.

RockRam63July 17, 2018 02:40AM

  you're not following the conversation

zn59July 17, 2018 04:31AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Rams4364July 17, 2018 05:43AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Ken44July 17, 2018 08:41AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

AlbaNY_Ram46July 17, 2018 03:15PM

  that's what they were going to do with Tru

zn56July 17, 2018 05:57PM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

dzrams37July 17, 2018 09:20AM

  as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

zn45July 17, 2018 09:29AM

  Re: as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

Ramsdude55July 17, 2018 12:58PM

  So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

jemach71July 16, 2018 01:29PM

  Re: So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

zn57July 16, 2018 04:31PM

  At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

jemach58July 17, 2018 09:07AM

  Re: At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

Ramsdude60July 17, 2018 12:34PM

  I would say I feel better...

jemach40July 18, 2018 03:44AM

  Re: +++1

dzrams49July 18, 2018 06:44AM

  Re: +++1

Rams4356July 18, 2018 07:18AM

  Take the QBs out of it...

max52July 18, 2018 03:58AM