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Re: false dichotomy

July 13, 2018 09:48AM
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I do agree he is worth 2 pro bowl players...which would be 22-25 million right?

But, there has to be a limit. HE isn't as valuable as Goff to the team, and we have a sallary cap. sumtin' gotta give.

Would have rather have 40 million (after tax) in the bank and a super bowl victory, or 65 million in the bank and no super bowl? I'll take the super bowl, and so would most. AD can't see that now at 27 years old, but some day he will.
And, yes, I do know that 65 mill and the superbowl vict is the best answer.


Spoilin' a super bowl run ain't fun, but it is his perogative. Ya, he really needs the extra 25 mill to live on....lol

THIS IS NOT the difference between a $120k salar and a 90k salary. the 'net' difference is the diff between living well and scraping by (in a big metro city).

I love the word ''dichotomy"---good job ZN!

Every player faces the "you should accept less than your market value" argument and when it comes to second contracts, which is the big payoff contract for most players (ie. you don't even know if you will have a third contract), they rarely if ever give a hometeam discount (in fact I can't think of anyone). It;s the market and how it works. The "but you don't need the money" arguments from we fans who want them to sign for less never makes a dent---and I think, rightly so. Our moral vision of how much money players should be content to live with is just not a factor. Some people cite Brady as an example (a lonely example) of a player content to take less...but that's not really a fair comparison. In his 2nd and 3rd contracts Brady absolutely cashed in and at one point was absolutely the highest paid player in the league. He didn't start doing the hometeam discount stuff until after that, after he had already made his 100 + a lot more millions. Meanwhile to this point Donald has been paid 11 M for 4 years, which is just laughably way below his market value as a player.

And the way I see the math yes they can sign both Donald and Goff and have room for a core group of other top contracts. I don't see the cap as an issue. They say 60% of the cap goes to your top players and in the 2020 the cap will be 200 M. That's workable. I don't have any worries there.

Same discussion came up in 2000 when Zygmunt balked at paying Warner what he was worth and went public with that sentiment. The then version of this board debated that and a lot of posters sided with management and suggest Warner was asking too much. I defended Warner then. I think it's the same thing now, defending Donald.


....

I don't remember anybody complaining about Warner getting 6 years $47M after what he had just done for this long suffering franchise???

Man I wish we still had archives of those days on the herd.....

Wow....crazy how much more money scrubs make these days than a league MVP Super Bowl winning QB less the 20 years agoconfused smiley

When will this "well I need $X million more than the last guy" type of cycle end??? The current system is just simply unsustainable.

It is no wonder most people are simply priced out of just going to games these days, let alone P$L's.....
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  2 pieces on Donald

zn940July 12, 2018 03:57AM

  plus some tweets

zn315July 12, 2018 04:45AM

  Re: DL has elite ranking in game and we lost

merlin205July 12, 2018 07:00AM

  false dichotomy

zn135July 12, 2018 08:13AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Steve79July 13, 2018 05:06AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn72July 13, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Rampage2K-79July 13, 2018 09:48AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn84July 13, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: false dichotomy

dzrams67July 13, 2018 08:37AM

  more tweets

zn139July 12, 2018 07:51PM

  and even more stuff

zn80July 16, 2018 05:37PM

  and still even more stuff

zn45July 20, 2018 07:29PM

  I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

jemach138July 12, 2018 04:56AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

zn110July 12, 2018 05:15AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

LMU93100July 12, 2018 05:40AM

  I Agree on guaranteed money...

jemach45July 13, 2018 03:45AM

  Re: IF AD is not worth the money.........

oldschoolramfan46July 14, 2018 05:48AM

  i posted well in advance of that poll...

jemach46July 13, 2018 03:47AM

  Re

zn50July 13, 2018 04:06AM

  I tend to be an early adopter...

jemach50July 16, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

Ramsdude105July 12, 2018 06:31AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

dzrams70July 12, 2018 10:08AM

  So you compare this team to last years team?

jemach47July 13, 2018 03:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-161July 12, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams118July 12, 2018 10:17AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

zn112July 12, 2018 10:34AM

  Re: We don't know the numbers but...

dzrams100July 12, 2018 10:45AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-76July 12, 2018 10:39AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams60July 12, 2018 11:42AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-84July 12, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams54July 12, 2018 01:23PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-47July 12, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram104July 12, 2018 10:35AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-76July 12, 2018 10:44AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams90July 12, 2018 11:46AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-55July 12, 2018 12:54PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams80July 12, 2018 01:06PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-55July 12, 2018 01:47PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn57July 12, 2018 02:13PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-52July 12, 2018 02:40PM

  no that's not the case

zn56July 12, 2018 02:52PM

  kind of like Watkins imo

Atlantic Ram53July 12, 2018 03:07PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams49July 12, 2018 05:09PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn57July 12, 2018 05:22PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram81July 12, 2018 07:57PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams59July 12, 2018 08:02PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram46July 12, 2018 10:17PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn44July 13, 2018 08:08AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram49July 13, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams52July 13, 2018 08:48AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram79July 13, 2018 09:24AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Ramsdude92July 13, 2018 02:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn98July 13, 2018 04:26AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams54July 12, 2018 05:27PM

  I would be surprised if less than $23M

Atlantic Ram79July 12, 2018 03:11PM

  +1 (NM)

zn46July 13, 2018 09:05AM

  Agree to a point.

RockRam78July 14, 2018 05:05AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

zn63July 14, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

VANRAM94July 16, 2018 01:27AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

Rams4349July 16, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams50July 16, 2018 07:31AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4351July 16, 2018 07:49AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams54July 16, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4352July 16, 2018 09:38AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Ramsdude47July 16, 2018 10:04AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams43July 16, 2018 11:16AM

  4th reason

AlbaNY_Ram40July 17, 2018 05:55AM

  but at tag prices

zn53July 16, 2018 10:27AM

  Re: but at tag prices

Ken46July 16, 2018 12:12PM

  Not play under the tag? Of course he will.

RockRam48July 17, 2018 02:49AM

  nope

zn45July 17, 2018 04:29AM

  He IS signed! That's the point.

RockRam81July 17, 2018 02:40AM

  you're not following the conversation

zn74July 17, 2018 04:31AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Rams4385July 17, 2018 05:43AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Ken64July 17, 2018 08:41AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

AlbaNY_Ram62July 17, 2018 03:15PM

  that's what they were going to do with Tru

zn71July 17, 2018 05:57PM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

dzrams49July 17, 2018 09:20AM

  as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

zn54July 17, 2018 09:29AM

  Re: as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

Ramsdude75July 17, 2018 12:58PM

  So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

jemach84July 16, 2018 01:29PM

  Re: So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

zn69July 16, 2018 04:31PM

  At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

jemach78July 17, 2018 09:07AM

  Re: At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

Ramsdude78July 17, 2018 12:34PM

  I would say I feel better...

jemach49July 18, 2018 03:44AM

  Re: +++1

dzrams67July 18, 2018 06:44AM

  Re: +++1

Rams4368July 18, 2018 07:18AM

  Take the QBs out of it...

max59July 18, 2018 03:58AM