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Re: To be fair...

May 17, 2018 10:12AM
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Goff had one really bad year, and one really nice year. I think its fair to see what he does this year before we know for sure. But, I do think its a good bet that Goff does well this year, just not a sure thing.

I think all those players on that list are on teams that believe they can build around them. TB considers Winston their franchise QB, same with Prescott, Watson, Carr, and Mariota. Although that can change after this season.

IMO, Goff didn't have a bad year. He had a bad 7 games. Not even half a season and part of that (if not all) I blame on the Middle School offense Fish and Co. tried to teach him. We all saw the difference a "real" offense and a "real" offensive coach made for Goff. IMO, if Goff would have had McVay in his rookie year, the results would have been different. In fact, I am surprised Fish didn't set him back a few years let alone ruin his entire career. Thank God he only had to deal with Fish for as long as he did.

I don't even count his first 7 games when evaluating Goff. If anything, he gets "extra" credit for being able to rebound after the Fish fiasco.

I don't buy the Standard Narrative on that.

First off the entire team, top to bottom, was overwhelmed by the move, which was predictable since it is very rare to negligible for a moving team to win the season it moves. That's so true that the LA reporters were warning about it in advance and Demoff apologized for it in advance (yep in advance). People like to neglect that for some reason but it was a huge factor. It had an effect on coaches and players alike.

Second off Air Raid system qbs have a long, long history of being so under-prepared for the pros that they just generally fail, and that goes back decades. The only ones who ended up doing decently well as pros certainly never did it in their first year. This is such a huge factor that when the Chiefs drafted Mohames, there
was article after article asking if he could overcome the Air Raid stigma. In his case they just sat him all year.

So Goff was just behinder than most. And it was predictable. Compound that with not having a running game and it gets even worse. Plus an OL that had played well at the end of 2015 but which regressed, at least in part (again) because of the move.

Fortunately for us and for McV, Sean inherited a qb who had already gone through a lot of rookie growing pains already and was absolutely NOT a rookie, but someone set to take a step up. Which he did, though of course a lot of that is also McVay too, who did a good job with Cousins so you have to figure he would do a good job with Goff too.

A lot of things went wrong in 2016.

I always just completely reject the One Explanation take on 2016. I think it leaves out too many facts and simplifies things way too much, to the point of distortion.

Not trying to change your mind on anything.

Just typing up my own vote on these issues.


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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 05/17/2018 10:19AM by zn.
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  How many "franchise" QB are there?

max576May 17, 2018 03:48AM

  Re: How many "franchise" QB are there?

zn275May 17, 2018 04:36AM

  Re: How many "franchise" QB are there?

max188May 17, 2018 05:17AM

  Unfortunately, there wasn't one in LA.

NewMexicoRam106May 17, 2018 04:49PM

  Re: How many "franchise" QB are there?

MamaRAMa179May 17, 2018 04:40AM

  Re: How many "franchise" QB are there?

zn150May 17, 2018 05:17AM

  Re: How many "franchise" QB are there?

Rams43151May 17, 2018 06:07AM

  Yup. Thad's a good explanation.

max130May 17, 2018 07:19AM

  "Physically talented"?

Suh-weet!121May 17, 2018 02:13PM

  Re: "Physically talented"?

zn328May 17, 2018 02:19PM

  Hoom...

Suh-weet!258May 17, 2018 04:41PM

  Re: Hoom...

zn123May 17, 2018 05:01PM

  Re: How many "franchise" QB are there?

David Deacon160May 17, 2018 06:58AM

  To be fair...

max165May 17, 2018 07:24AM

  Re: To be fair...

Ramsdude117May 17, 2018 07:33AM

  Re: To be fair...

zn156May 17, 2018 10:12AM

  Whatever the reasons...

max141May 17, 2018 10:26AM

  Re: Whatever the reasons...

zn302May 17, 2018 10:29AM

  Re: Whatever the reasons...

David Deacon119May 18, 2018 03:13AM

  +1 (nm)

zn81May 18, 2018 04:47AM

  wow one bad year

ferragamo79155May 17, 2018 07:42AM

  In ones mind

PHDram161May 17, 2018 06:00PM

  Re: In ones mind

zn118May 17, 2018 06:21PM

  Re: In ones mind

PHDram125May 18, 2018 03:53AM

  you're judging them in a different light

zn142May 17, 2018 09:58AM

  Garapolo

wv ram186May 17, 2018 08:29AM

  Yeah

Speedball89247May 17, 2018 09:51AM

  zn's franchise QB definition is what is assumed here...

max148May 17, 2018 10:19AM

  AND

zn181May 17, 2018 10:23AM

  All QBs are franchise QBs....

DaJudge204May 17, 2018 10:11AM

  no not all..

zn131May 17, 2018 10:26AM

  Gotta

PHDram162May 17, 2018 05:18PM

  How many "franchise" QB are there? A lot of them max

Anonymous User376May 17, 2018 03:10PM

  after long consideration, my definition of franchise QB.

max138May 18, 2018 03:02AM

  Re: after long consideration, my definition of franchise QB.

zn103May 18, 2018 04:56AM

  Re: after long consideration, my definition of franchise QB.

max214May 18, 2018 07:23AM

  Re: after long consideration, my definition of franchise QB.

PHDram95May 18, 2018 08:49AM

  Re: after long consideration, my definition of franchise QB.

max129May 18, 2018 09:07AM

  Re: after long consideration, my definition of franchise QB.

zn114May 18, 2018 09:37AM

  Pure speculation

PHDram156May 18, 2018 10:00AM

  Re: Pure speculation

max120May 18, 2018 01:01PM

  Re: Pure speculation

PHDram108May 18, 2018 05:07PM

  Re: Pure speculation

zn114May 18, 2018 09:26PM

  Re: Pure speculation

PHDram118May 18, 2018 10:11PM

  Re: after long consideration, my definition of franchise QB.

PHDram114May 18, 2018 09:39AM