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Said that the Rams offered AD the highest paid money last year? We don't know if that's the highest paid DT, DL or defense player. Either way, if what has been reported and has since been spoken as fact ( highest paid something) is true and AD declined two years out then speculation as to the nature of what is going on now is logical.

If you hold out two years prior to your contract being up, ask to not only have your contract ripped up and pay you as the top player, get what you request and then say no i think it's safe to make assumptions. It's a long game for him and his agency and if true it's a beautifully played game.

It's safe to say that he is using last year's offer as a base. Then he will request more. He will use last year's offer, use the approximate value of next year's offer and ask for it. If the Rams offer next year's assumed value, what will stop him from making and absurd clause request in order to not sign? Then next year he will use the Rams two years of essentially bidding against themselves, along with the entire league to silently shop numbers AND use Mack to drum up a frenzy.

If you think that AD is loyal you may be right. He also knows he is irreplaceable. He also is represented by an absolute jackal of an agent that is no doubt pushing for the above scenario.

I'm not demonizing AD. We are just discussing the business side. I think it's fascinating

Pardon me if I'm rambling or if my structure is off. I'm driving, thinking and writing this at the same time.

No we can't agree on that cause it's meaningless.

Unless you know the figure you have absolutely no idea if it's a lowball or not.

The numbers for 2nd contracts go up every year. In 2015, 4 years ago, Suh got a deal for 19 M a year.

Because the numbers go up every year (and because Donald is a better player than Suh) unless the Rams offered a lot more than 19 M, it;'s a lowball.

So for example if they offered 19.5 M yes technically it would be higher than Suh's was but it would not reflect the market math for it being 4 years later.

So just going with one oft-quoted reporter's remark, without real figures, means nothing.

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Or at least I'm not. You and I seem to agree that he was offered the top money. Everything else is an entertaining game of chess that is fun to discuss scenarios based on known or largely assumed factors (AD is irreplaceable and knows it and the Rams offered him top money two years before his contract was up).

AD holds out 2 years out.
Rams offer him the top money.
AD does not sign.

Begs the question- why did he hold out?

We can assume that the Rams upped their offer this year. AD wants more because he CAN get more next year. This is where I am intrigued.

Can the Rams offer him what they assume he will get next year? Poston will not accept it. Last year showed the chess game. Poston will use that offer and demand more in next year's negotiations. To me it's become clear that AD wants to be a free agent so that he can use the every variable to milk every penny.

It's fascinating

First, leaving aside the fact that you're basing this on hearsay...

My only point was (and it stands) that unless you know the actual figures you have no idea whether any Rams offer was legit in the 2018 market or not.

The mere assumption that it was a high offer is meaningless unless you can look at the hard actual figures and say "yes that is a valid high contract for that player in this market." Unless we can do that, then we have no idea if it was or not. Regardless what we personally want to believe.

So no, any effort to try to construe this as Donald turning down a big offer is as doomed to failure at this point as any other supposition about all this.

You asked, can we assume X? The answer is, no.

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