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Re: Where's the fire?

April 03, 2018 06:54PM
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Deadpool
I have been thinking about this topic for a while, and with the trade for Cooks, I thought tonight was the perfect time.

I am confused by the Rams seemingly win right now at all cost plan. Its not like McVay and Snead are on a hot seat or have been given as much rope as they are going to get, so why make this a 1 or 2 year window? I can't be coming from the owner right? Did he make a win now mandate, so they get butts in seats for the new stadium? Doesn't seem to fit Stan's M.O.

So am I imagining this window? i don't think so and here is why: Draft picks

The draft is more then a 3 day party for draftniks. it serves an integral part of managing a teams cap. its a way of bring in cheap talent under control for 3 or 4 years allowing you the cap space to resign your stars coming into their 2nd contracts. Without picks in your top 2 rounds, your chances of drafting usable talent significantly decreases. Use ZN's favorite as an example, finding a starting LT after round 2 is like 9% in the 3rd round and almost impossible after.

The draft also builds depth. You can get depth from the 3rd -7th rounds, but you better hit.

The problem the chronically bad teams have is that they draft poorly, so they are constantly drafting to replace busts, or overspend on FAs that only go there because they outbid everyone. (for the record, and before ZN coming in and says there are other ways that don't work as well, I also do not think the Packers strategy avoiding FA for the most part works either.) What do poor drafting teams have to do with the Rams trading draft picks? Having no draft picks is the same as missing on a pick as far as cheap manageable talent goes. You don't have any.

But just because they are trading picks for talent doesn't make the window any shorter, esp. since Peters and Cooks are so young. This is when the reality of the cap sets in.

Guys that are going to demand some serious cap space considerations in the next couple of seasons:
1. Donald - 1 year
2. Cooks - 1 year
3. Suh - 1 year
4.Joyner - 1 year
5. Peters - 2 years
6. Gurley - 2 years
7. Goff - 3 years

Is that right? It seems right. I am in full draft mode now TBH.

You are not going to keep all of them. And I love most of you guys, but I have heard this over and over and its crazy: We just traded potential for a proven stud. And if we lose him we get a 3rd round comp pick next year.

Are you suggesting you are not comfortable with Snead and Co. drafting a 1st or 2nd round prospect, but are thrilled with the thought they could get a 3rd or 4th rounder in return in the form of a comp pick?

This team no longer has the cap resources or draft picks to maintain a SB window for more then 2 years IMO. Gone will be Suh and No Chainz, the Rams will need a LT that they had no draft capital to find, they have no proven LBers (and if anyone says Barron, he is gone sooner then later, and was never a 34 LBer to begin with), and no OL depth. Not to mention Sullivan and Saffold are no spring chickens. Oh and since Cooks and Suh are gone, gonna need DL help and a #2 WR. Good luck finding all that with 150k in cap space and a bunch or 3rd and 6th round draft picks.

I can appreciate the all in approach as a poker player myself. After 15 years of losing, I prefer the long game myself. Build this team through the draft, and let Goff develop. I don't care how great all your supporting players are, Goff has to be the man. Bring in a talent on trade if it makes sense (Peters more then any other) and dip into FA, and not the crazy day 1 thru 3 free agency.

In closing:

2 years from now these guys could all be gone:
Marcus Peters
Suh
Talib
Whitworth
Sullivan
Barron
TA
Cooks
Saffold
Joyner

Thats:
Both starting CBs
3/5 of your line (and your best 3 lineman)
1/3 of your DL
Your only vet LBer
your #2 WR and deep threat
your starting Safety
And a gadget WR that supposedly keeps the defense honest.

And you have in the next 2 drafts:
1st - 1
2nd - 0
3rd - 1 (possibly 2)
4th - 3 (maybe 4)
5th - 1
6th - 4
7th - 1

OK. What am I missing.

GREAT post.

Hopefully they know something we don't with who will be "flexible" and who won't when it comes to "pay day".
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Where's the fire?

Deadpool860April 03, 2018 05:57PM

  Re: Yeah that question has been raised...

laram511April 03, 2018 06:06PM

  Sorry brother

Deadpool304April 03, 2018 06:20PM

  Re: LoL....

laram336April 03, 2018 06:23PM

  just pulled this bad boy last night in a 7 degree snow storm

Deadpool260April 03, 2018 06:53PM

  Re: Cool Dead thanks...NM

laram265April 03, 2018 06:54PM

  Re: Yeah that question has been raised...

The_Zone250April 03, 2018 07:45PM

  Rams have become the Redskins from back in the day

Speedball89265April 03, 2018 06:12PM

  its not even that

Deadpool377April 03, 2018 06:27PM

  how has that worked last 30 years

ferragamo79282April 03, 2018 06:33PM

  so you are good with a 2 year window and back to rebuilding?

Deadpool226April 03, 2018 06:43PM

  why is it rebuilding

ferragamo79225April 03, 2018 06:49PM

  We'll Be Reloading, Not Rebuilding!

RamBill317April 03, 2018 06:53PM

  again with the "we don't even know if a first rounder makes the team"

Deadpool232April 03, 2018 07:00PM

  not necessarily...I dont care where a player is drafted

ferragamo79365April 03, 2018 07:10PM

  yet the top 3 players on this team were 1st rounders

Deadpool300April 03, 2018 07:30PM

  Re: so you are good with a 2 year window and back to rebuilding?

Rams43226April 03, 2018 07:03PM

  Of course you do 43

Deadpool216April 03, 2018 07:15PM

  @ Deadpool isn

ferragamo79350April 03, 2018 07:40PM

  what now

Deadpool221April 03, 2018 07:59PM

  Re: Of course you do 43

Rams43221April 03, 2018 07:42PM

  I have given Snead the benefit of the doubt

Deadpool201April 03, 2018 08:13PM

  Re: I have given Snead the benefit of the doubt

Rams43411April 03, 2018 08:16PM

  you say that now but I have bad news for you

Deadpool374April 03, 2018 08:22PM

  Re: you say that now but I have bad news for you

Rams43224April 03, 2018 08:31PM

  TY sir

Deadpool208April 03, 2018 08:32PM

  It was Cooks before Watkins..

OzRam181April 04, 2018 05:39AM

  Re: Cooks had a legitimate gripe...

dzrams242April 03, 2018 07:54PM

  But are you going to be ok

Deadpool297April 03, 2018 08:04PM

  Re: But are you going to be ok

Rams43211April 03, 2018 08:12PM

  That I agree on

Deadpool277April 03, 2018 08:14PM

  Re: Gelled????

dzrams214April 03, 2018 08:13PM

  good points

Deadpool276April 03, 2018 08:20PM

  Re: good points

dzrams226April 03, 2018 08:34PM

  Denver had some darn good LBers

Deadpool211April 03, 2018 08:44PM

  Re: Yes, they did...but

dzrams289April 03, 2018 08:53PM

  Not Like George Allen Skins At All

RamBill383April 03, 2018 06:41PM

  Re: Rams have become the Redskins--another perspective w/o detail

Steve259April 03, 2018 08:08PM

  combination approach

ferragamo79220April 03, 2018 06:32PM

  Re: And yet their best players on both sides are draft picks...

laram527April 03, 2018 06:44PM

  Re: And only Seattle has won anything...

dzrams217April 03, 2018 07:10PM

  Re: Well first nobody said "only"...

laram215April 04, 2018 05:41AM

  Re: Well then you should have no complaints...

dzrams171April 04, 2018 05:56AM

  Re: Welp....

laram197April 04, 2018 06:10AM

  Re: Not taking the bait!...

dzrams318April 04, 2018 07:40AM

  Re: Not taking the bait!...

laram202April 04, 2018 08:53AM

  dated model

ferragamo79217April 03, 2018 07:14PM

  NFL Not For Long

Rams_81220April 03, 2018 06:38PM

  ugh...so right nm

ferragamo79348April 03, 2018 06:40PM

  So you think this year is the norm?

Deadpool239April 03, 2018 07:08PM

  Re: Where's the fire?

Ram1380206April 03, 2018 06:54PM

  It’s called taking advantage of rookie QB contract.

Rampage2K-220April 03, 2018 07:15PM

  Re: 2020...Goff!

dzrams223April 03, 2018 07:30PM

  it;s not win right now & it;s not at all costs

zn273April 03, 2018 07:37PM

  Re: it;s not win right now & it;s not at all costs

OzRam182April 04, 2018 05:30AM

  It's in the fevered brain of every fan who could have done all this so much better. nm.

Saguaro161April 04, 2018 05:44AM

  In my own opinion

Los Angeles Lenny157April 04, 2018 09:03AM