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Re: The morning's What If . . . .

March 17, 2018 05:16AM
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Billy_T
Seeing Keenum being introduced by Elway (after Denver signed him) got me to thinkin':

What could McVay have done with Case as starting QB? I know. I know. It's all moot. Goff is the starter and his crazy, awesome, wicked, amazing leap from year one to year two tells us he's got big time upside and is heading for a Pro-Bowl career. I'm happy the Rams have him. But I still wish they had those draft picks too.

Anyway, Keenum was really good with the Vikes last year, showed consistently excellent pocket awareness, quick feet, a quick release, excellent accuracy, excellent decision-making . . . . and he didn't do that with the Rams..

Yes he did show those things with the Rams too. And in 2016 that was without a running game.

And he also showed with the Vikes the same flaw he had with the Rams---when the game depends entirely on him he can start throwing incompletes and INTs. He also is one of the many many qbs who falls apart when his OL collapses around him, which happened a couple of times with the Vikes.

At the end of 2015 I was describing CK's strengths in pretty much identical language to what you use here to describe him as a Viking. It was all visible then.

CK did not show anything new last year. What happened was, he was in a better situation. But he is still dependent on the running game, which he did not have in 2016. In fact the running game is so important to his success that last year Minn was 2nd in rushing attempts and 7th in rushing yards in spite of being 23rd in yards per carry (3.9). They knew they had to just keep pounding the run.

Again, I think he flashed those skills, but wasn't consistent. He was consistent with the Vikes.

Just compare the 2016 and 2017:


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2017 Minnesota Vikings 15 14 325 481 67.6 3,547 7.4 22 7 22 136 98.3 40 160 4.0 1 1 1
2016 Los Angeles Rams 10 9 196 322 60.9 2,201 6.8 9 11 23 140 76.4 20 51 2.6 1 5 1

That's night and day.

As for QBs who fall apart when the OL collapses: He actually showed more escapability last year than in 2016, but MOST QBs throw incompletes in that situation. It's rare to have a QB who consistently completes passes under serious duress. Brady becomes "average" when his line breaks down -- or worse. Right off the top of my head, Rogers and Wilson might be the only QBs in the league who make it work more often than not.

Again, it's all moot. Just a thought-experiment, what if, etc.
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  The morning's What If . . . .

Billy_T646March 17, 2018 04:47AM

  Re: The morning's What If . . . .

zn235March 17, 2018 04:54AM

  Re: The morning's What If . . . .

Billy_T179March 17, 2018 05:16AM

  we are just light years apart

zn149March 17, 2018 06:38AM

  Re: The morning's What If . . . .

Ramsdude161March 17, 2018 05:16AM

  Keenum would do much better for McVay vs Fisher

Rams_81145March 17, 2018 05:24AM

  case

wv ram149March 17, 2018 07:21AM

  not taking anything away from Goff

Los Angeles Lenny127March 17, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: A better question would be who's the real Case Keenum?

merlin128March 17, 2018 01:41PM

  Re: A better question would be who's the real Case Keenum?

zn134March 17, 2018 01:45PM

  Re: I don't disagree ZN

merlin133March 17, 2018 10:08PM

  Re: I don't disagree ZN

zn140March 17, 2018 10:21PM

  Re: The morning's What If . . . .If we had those picks

BumRap113March 17, 2018 10:26PM

  yet the Vikings wanted an upgrade

ferragamo79126March 18, 2018 08:38AM

  Re: yet the Vikings wanted an upgrade

zn107March 18, 2018 08:49AM

  Playoffs

RFIP150March 18, 2018 08:58AM