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it gets down to one thing

October 18, 2017 05:15PM
The number of games from 2012-15 where the Fisher Rams had BOTH a starting caliber qb AND a relatively healthy/relatively veteran OL is 15 out of 64.

The last 8 games of 2012 and the first 7 of 2013.

It stands completely to reason that they would have done better if that were not the case. IE if they had more games with both a starting caliber qb and a relatively healthy OL. And that's even with all the other issues. I don't know how much better but they would have done better.

It doesn't get down to philosophy, or position coaches, or any of that. Teams win with those philosophies (which a lot of people don't accurately describe anyway. One key thing about a Fisher team's offense was setting up and executing big passing plays of 31 yards or more. That rarely gets mentioned but I can point to the plays, year in and year out.)

Everyone likes the McVay Rams, and his coaches, and their philosophy. But have him start Brandon Allen and lose Whitworth, Saffold, and Sullivan (and yes the equivalent happened for long stretches of games to the 2012-15 Rams) and tell me how well they would do. Or...tell me how many teams had a similar double whammy that did well.

2016 though was a completely different animal. A lot went wrong in 2016 and it included moving (no team has won for decades the year after a cross-state move).

BUT McVay looks good (as do Kromer and Johnson and Phillips) so I ain't complaining.


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SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  McVay that good or Fisher that bad

RounderRick1172October 17, 2017 06:19PM

  I agree with the 2 guys on the show NM

six2stack509October 17, 2017 06:20PM

  different philosophies

FootballGenius507October 17, 2017 06:30PM

  I am going to make this PG since there are women on this board

Los Angeles Lenny387October 17, 2017 07:02PM

  Re: I am going to make this PG since there are women on this board

waterfield367October 17, 2017 08:23PM

  Is that the guy

RamUK325October 18, 2017 05:44PM

  Re: I am going to make this PG since there are women on this board

Classicalwit300October 19, 2017 04:13AM

  lol

Los Angeles Lenny310October 19, 2017 09:35AM

  Re: McVay that good or Fisher that bad

Rams43330October 17, 2017 07:12PM

  Both nm

XXXIVwin315October 17, 2017 07:27PM

  The Jag win was Fishball

Blue and Gold602October 17, 2017 08:32PM

  Re: The Jag win was Fishball

CraigMatson313October 17, 2017 11:40PM

  I don't agree with the label of Fishball

RockRam332October 18, 2017 02:11AM

  You have your definition, I have mine

Blue and Gold307October 18, 2017 02:14AM

  one difference

zn367October 18, 2017 03:22AM

  Re: You have your definition, I have mine

JYB419October 19, 2017 07:47AM

  Re: I don't agree with the label of Fishball

guinnessram307October 18, 2017 11:22AM

  Excellent post sorta changed my...

BumRap303October 20, 2017 07:36AM

  one key difference

Los Angeles Lenny297October 18, 2017 04:38AM

  Re: The Jag win was Fishball

21Dog276October 18, 2017 04:39AM

  Yeah, it's not the normal game by McVay

Blue and Gold305October 18, 2017 02:19PM

  McVay is trending downwards

Rams_81508October 18, 2017 02:50AM

  McVay has met a dose of reality

NewMexicoRam416October 18, 2017 02:54AM

  Really? Based on a couple of games?

RockRam364October 18, 2017 03:39AM

  Re: Really? Based on a couple of games?

Rams43273October 18, 2017 07:29AM

  Yes boxing each player into specific roles

Rams_81318October 19, 2017 04:49PM

  Seriously?

RamFanEsq324October 18, 2017 05:44AM

  It is not the results but the manner of the regression

Rams_81320October 19, 2017 04:50PM

  Agreed

FootballGenius285October 18, 2017 02:37PM

  Rams are a play or two from being UNDEFEATED!

Ramgator338October 18, 2017 03:52AM

  Well said.

RockRam520October 18, 2017 05:10AM

  Re: Well said...4-2 is Perfect!!!!

oldschoolramfan316October 18, 2017 05:52AM

  The game passed him by

Los Angeles Lenny331October 18, 2017 05:00AM

  Fisher wasn't that bad IMO

psxpaul373October 18, 2017 09:45AM

  Re: Fisher wasn't that bad IMO

Rams43339October 18, 2017 10:02AM

  Re: Fisher wasn't that bad IMO

Rampage2K-319October 18, 2017 10:53AM

  Agreed, for all Fisher's (many!) faults, he built well.

ArizonaRamFan301October 18, 2017 02:53PM

  Re:or snead did nm

VANRAM380October 18, 2017 05:12PM

  Re: Fisher wasn't that bad IMO

dzrams446October 18, 2017 11:02AM

  Re: Fisher wasn't that bad IMO

RAMSINCE ARNETT323October 18, 2017 12:05PM

  Re: Fisher wasn't that bad IMO

waterfield341October 18, 2017 12:10PM

  it gets down to one thing

zn421October 18, 2017 05:15PM

  Re: it gets down to one thing

VANRAM318October 18, 2017 05:24PM

  Re: it gets down to one thing

zn296October 18, 2017 05:31PM

  Re: other things can be said...

dzrams300October 18, 2017 05:34PM

  Re: other things can be said...

zn324October 18, 2017 05:40PM

  Re: other things can be said...

dzrams323October 18, 2017 05:47PM

  Re: other things can be said...

zn319October 18, 2017 05:50PM

  Re: it gets down to one thing

VANRAM317October 18, 2017 08:26PM

  ceilings

wv ram258October 18, 2017 05:25PM

  Re: ceilings

zn323October 18, 2017 05:37PM

  Fisher was not bad on defense or special teams

Rams_81266October 19, 2017 04:51PM

  Mcvay=looking good so far. Fishface= proven terrible.

guinnessram282October 18, 2017 11:24AM

  I thought Last Sunday was more reminiscent of MartyBall

six2stack332October 18, 2017 12:06PM

  I agree with that analogy

Los Angeles Lenny254October 19, 2017 11:36AM

  Re: McVay that good or Fisher that bad

AZRamsfan65311October 20, 2017 07:18AM