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Re: I should have been more specific....

April 19, 2017 10:13AM
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dzrams
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…poor eye for offensive talent… far too conservative on the offensive side of the ball... hired a conservative OC… Fisher never evolved…

…terrible feel for offensive personnel…too many poor offensive free agent signings and offensive draft picks…Stayed married to Bradford way too long…

The seven reasons you list above are why Fisher failed on offense. It wasn’t because he didn’t prioritize the OL. He focused plenty on offensive personnel especially the OL. His moves just sucked for the reasons you stated above.

In 2012, he signed the top center available in free agency to a contract. In 2013, he signed the top LT. Two high profile moves in two years show a priority to improve the OL. The 2017 Whitworth signing is no different than the Fisher strategy.

It wasn’t a lack of prioritizing the OL that did them in; it was simply that the strategy failed.

He did not prioritize the OL early enough through the most important way IMO of building a team for the future and that's through the draft. Rok Watkins (5th round) was the only OL he drafted his first year in 2012. At the time Fisher was even quoted as saying he believed he could get OL in the mid-late rounds and coach them up as quality starters. When he finally invested heavily in a LT #2 overall, he listened to and believed that same coach who was banging the table for Robinson. Boudreau failed Fisher and Fisher failed everyone.

I agree that the Whitworth signing isn't much different than the Long signing except for one difference. I think the Rams are more desperate for a stop gap LT now with Jared Goff and their rookie head coach. Going into his first season as head coach, Fisher didn't see a need for a left tackle until he realized Saffold wasn't his guy and went after Long in the 2013 offseason. I guess the Long signing was hindsight and it could have worked out but it was clear he was past his prime at a fairly early age and then couldn't hold up. Those are the risks you take signing FA`s and Fisher did a pretty poor job of it.

Ah, got ya. I think it’s that Snisher just had a different philosophy on building an OL. Maybe this is potentially bad news but I believe that some of that philosophy that you can get OL in later rounds comes from Snead. He has talked about that many times.

It also doesn’t seem accurate to say that Fisher didn’t see a need for a LT until 2013. He had only been there one year. Can’t fix everything immediately. And since signing established vets was their preferred method of building the OL, it depends on who is available in free agency. They got the top guy the first moment someone good was available. Unfortunately, he was past his prime as you and others said. Personally, I thought it was a good move at the time. Turns out you guys were right.

I really hope Whitworth gives them two good years. The Rams desperately need this move to work.
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  Any doubt that McVay is serious about the OL?

Rams431206April 18, 2017 03:02PM

  Re: Any doubt that McVay is serious about the OL?

oldschoolramfan480April 18, 2017 03:08PM

  every Rams coach has demonstrated that

zn383April 18, 2017 03:13PM

  Re: every Rams coach has demonstrated that

Rams43518April 18, 2017 03:43PM

  Re: every Rams coach has demonstrated that

zn324April 18, 2017 04:11PM

  He didn't start the problem, but Fisher sure didn't fix it

promomasterj270April 18, 2017 04:20PM

  yeah he did when injuries permitted

zn348April 18, 2017 04:35PM

  Re: yeah he did when injuries permitted

Rams43253April 18, 2017 05:19PM

  Re: yeah he did when injuries permitted

zn291April 18, 2017 05:39PM

  For zn...

Rams43260April 19, 2017 03:44AM

  for 43---not an argument 43 unless

zn306April 19, 2017 04:37AM

  Re: for 43---not an argument 43 unless

Rams43314April 19, 2017 04:53AM

  Re: for 43---not an argument 43 unless

zn258April 19, 2017 04:57AM

  Re: for 43---not an argument 43 unless

Rams43223April 19, 2017 05:11AM

  Re: for 43---not an argument 43 unless

zn308April 19, 2017 05:22AM

  Re: for 43---not an argument 43 unless

Rams43282April 19, 2017 05:25AM

  Re: here are the facts

Speed_Kills286April 19, 2017 11:10AM

  here's what's being said

zn305April 19, 2017 03:52PM

  Fisher did NOT prioritize the OL early in his Rams tenure..

PaulButcher59214April 19, 2017 05:03AM

  yes he did

zn203April 19, 2017 05:27AM

  Losers make excuses. Winners...overcome adversity

promomasterj231April 19, 2017 08:20AM

  Two different things here

LesBaker362April 19, 2017 02:29PM

  we posters make slogans but history makes facts

zn331April 19, 2017 04:18PM

  Re: Lack of priority was not the issue...

dzrams285April 19, 2017 09:00AM

  I should have been more specific....

PaulButcher59301April 19, 2017 09:49AM

  Re: I should have been more specific....

dzrams215April 19, 2017 10:13AM

  Re: I should have been more specific....

PaulButcher59329April 19, 2017 10:51AM

  missing a huge point

zn381April 19, 2017 03:46PM

  Re: No McVay is filling holes on the oL with bodies...

laram197April 19, 2017 04:02PM

  Re: No McVay is filling holes on the oL with bodies...

zn273April 19, 2017 04:12PM

  Re: That has nothing to do with what I said...

laram241April 19, 2017 04:30PM

  it's a direct response to and disagreement with what you said

zn227April 19, 2017 04:43PM

  Re: Yeah that's even further from the truth...

laram280April 19, 2017 04:48PM

  Re: Yeah that's even further from the truth...

zn265April 19, 2017 05:09PM

  Re: Any doubt that McVay is serious about the OL?

roman18235April 19, 2017 04:09AM

  Re: Any doubt that McVay is serious about the OL?

zn186April 19, 2017 04:55AM

  Re: Missing the point zn........

oldschoolramfan251April 19, 2017 05:17AM

  well actually...you are

zn192April 19, 2017 05:43AM

  Barnes

LMU93309April 19, 2017 05:29AM

  Re: Barnes

zn404April 19, 2017 05:48AM

  I'm getting good vibes about EVERYTHING!

Ramgator230April 19, 2017 04:46AM

  Re: I'm getting good vibes about EVERYTHING!

oldschoolramfan212April 19, 2017 05:19AM

  Re: of course you do

Speed_Kills226April 19, 2017 06:07AM

  Re: of course you do

Rams43285April 19, 2017 06:12AM

  Re: he didn't get it done

Speed_Kills349April 19, 2017 06:24AM

  Re: of course you do

dzrams179April 19, 2017 05:06PM

  so now what

zn275April 19, 2017 09:56PM