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Re: Name the drafted players that didn't "make plays"

April 09, 2017 12:21PM
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But to my untrained eye, there's something that should always receive great weight in evals.

Does the player consistently make plays on film?

If he does, shouldn't that count more than measurables?

My understanding is that Engram makes a ton of plays, so he should definitely be in the conversation at #37. We are starved for O playmaking weapons and McVay knows how to best develop and scheme TE's.

Sounds like one of a dozen or so terrific players that would be great choices if they even fell to us.

Basically stat scouting. Did scheme get him open for the plays? Is defensive focus on other areas? Is it an offense where everyone is making plays? Does he make contested plays? Does he pile up plays vs lesser competition?

Almost every single player being considered as a legit draft prospect made "plays"...a lot of them.

Yeah, Flip.

I realize that it's an oversimplification. Not at all nuanced.

Then again, it does have the advantage of not making mistakes as a result of paralysis by analysis, doesn't it?

A recent classic example by 12 teams in '14 was passing over Aaron Donald despite his film and dominance in the Senior bowl practices. Too short, too small, too light, arms not long enough, etc.

I remain convinced that seeing a given player consistently making great plays on film in real football games should have prominent weight in making final draft decisions.

The percentage is minuscule. There is no paralysis by analysis because there is essentially zero analysis.

You bring up 2014 as an example of 12 teams taking non-playmakers over the playmaking Donald. Who taken before Donald didn't "make plays"?

Maybe my analysis is paralyzed but here's my scouting report based on your criteria...

Jadeveon Clowney made plays
Greg Robinson made plays
Blake Bortles made plays
Sammy Watkins made plays
Khalil Mack made plays
Jake Matthews made plays
Mike Evans made plays
Justin Gilbert made plays
Anthony Barr made plays
Eric Ebron made plays
Taylor Lewan made plays
Odell Beckham made plays

Why so touchy, Flip?

I was speaking in generalities, man. As in friendly discussion, not an ambush.

Yeah, all players make plays, that's why highlight film can be so misleading.

I'm thinking generally of players that consistently make outstanding plays in real football games. Dominate, even. As opposed to pajama olympics measurement hairsplitting.

I believe that such film should trump the measurement nitpicking. That's all. Based on what I've learned, Engram fits the bill.

Now, when two or more prospects all pass that threshold, well... that's a nice problem to have at one's pick, huh? Let the bigger perceived need govern.

I'm sure you know all that, and I'm sure that you agree.

Are we still friends, or what? Lol.
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  WR Evan Engram

PHDram1209April 08, 2017 08:22PM

  Re: WR Evan Engram - Jordan Reed

Rampage2K-438April 08, 2017 09:02PM

  Re: WR Evan Engram - Jordan Reed

CraigMatson499April 09, 2017 05:49AM

  Re: WR Evan Engram - Jordan Reed

PHDram351April 09, 2017 06:11AM

  You forget the freak that Calvin Johnson was...

Flipper336328April 09, 2017 06:24AM

  Re: You forget the freak that Calvin Johnson was...

PHDram323April 09, 2017 06:42AM

  Skillset wise at WR he compares to Marquez North. As a Slot WR - Jordan Matthews

Flipper336282April 09, 2017 06:19AM

  So the questions still stands..

PHDram293April 09, 2017 09:02AM

  Not sure, and that's the problem for me

Flipper336267April 09, 2017 10:29AM

  Heaven knows that I'm no draft guru...

Rams43304April 09, 2017 11:09AM

  Way too many holes in that style of evaluation

Flipper336359April 09, 2017 11:26AM

  Re: Way too many holes in that style of evaluation

Rams43217April 09, 2017 11:34AM

  Name the drafted players that didn't "make plays"

Flipper336218April 09, 2017 12:06PM

  Re: Name the drafted players that didn't "make plays"

Rams43365April 09, 2017 12:21PM

  Engram is a "pajama olympics" mover

Flipper336276April 09, 2017 12:55PM

  Re: One thing I am sure of with Engram

merlin294April 10, 2017 06:08AM

  Agreed

Flipper336280April 10, 2017 06:58AM

  Re: Way too many holes in that style of evaluation

CraigMatson225April 09, 2017 12:12PM

  Ok, more like a rich mans Jordan Reed

Rampage2K-379April 09, 2017 08:52AM

  I'd be more inclined to keep him at TE

six2stack215April 09, 2017 09:07AM

  Re: I'd be more inclined to keep him at TE....I'm sure they will.

Rampage2K-317April 09, 2017 09:11AM

  Re: WR Evan Engram - Jordan Reed

PaceRam394April 09, 2017 06:14AM

  The point is simply: a playmaking match-up nightmare

RockRam426April 09, 2017 02:45AM

  Re: The point is simply: a playmaking match-up nightmare

oldmanram383April 09, 2017 03:32AM

  Re: like that drift

leafnose312April 09, 2017 06:33AM

  Re: The point is simply: a playmaking match-up nightmare

Rams43356April 09, 2017 07:47AM

  It does matter

PHDram311April 09, 2017 08:03AM