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Yeah, Demoff and his staff do the contract negotiations.
And they are known for being very fair in the process. In fact, I don't recall hearing even a whiff of complaint in 5 years of the process under Demoff's direction with regard to being abrasive or unprofessional. His is hardly the Zygmut style.
I think that the Jenkins negotiations were just one of those things. JJ had a figure in mind and decided to be "insulted" by the Rams opening offer and it went downhill from there.
Btw, didn't JJ change agents in the process? I seem to remember that.
Anyway, water under the bridge now. Especially for Fisher. Lol.
Meanwhile Fisher told them he wanted Jenkins regardless. No one in the building had the power or right to overrule him on that. It's not their call. The cap guy does not dictate to the coach in this situation, it's the other way around.
It;s a screwed up structure if the head coach says that and the suits can't get it done. In fact that IS a Zygmunt style front office. That's exactly how it worked. Too many cooks.
If something like that has happened once, unless they fix how they do things, it can happen again. A bad structure is a bad structure. If a coach says sign this guy, you're supposed to sign him.
And it has nothing to do with what we as fans regard as a "fair" contract. That's not even a remotely relevant consideration.
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I think that your premise is a bit naive, zn. Even more than a bit.
I've done my fair share of negotiating in the real business world and I can assure you of one thing. There is a predetermined point beyond which one side will not go before the first word is uttered. A line in the sand, if you will. It's there to prevent an "auction fever" emotional impulsive overpay response.
So Fisher can say he "wants JJ regardless" all he wants, but it will be to no avail beyond a certain predetermined price point.
Right or wrong, JJ's demands, and the market, exceeded the point that the Rams were willing to go.
It happens during negotiations all the time.
Go find me instances where a head coach with power type---a Carroll, or a Reid, others equivalent to Fisher---says sign this guy and the front office screws it up, against his wishes.
You give me examples of that and you might have a case.
You don't and I will contend as I am now that you are massively missing the real point.
There is no "Rams" on this. No one in the Rams front office had the power to revise a coach's specifically stated aim on this.
And no one on the Rams has the power to say "no this is how we're doing the cap."
It was supposed to be the other way around. The cap guys do what he says and then advise. They don't take the ball from him.
Because that is PRECISELY how Zygmunt ran things. That IS a Zygmunt structure.
If things go forward without that fixed, there will be another screw-up like this. I promise you.
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C'mon, zn...
Surely you don't believe that Fisher had authority in all Ram matters without limits?
I mean, that's delusional, man.
In the JJ case, Fisher's "want to" ran smack dab into a cap limit determined by Kroenke and Demoff.
The tail could only wag the dog just so much, and Fisher's desire for JJ became a casualty.
He had final say on all roster issues and reported straight to Kroenke.
In all teams, the cap guy can be two things.
He has power over the coach OR works for the guy who does (that's how it works with super-GM teams). Depending on who has final say.
Or he merely executes team decisions and supports the guy in charge, in this case that being the coach.
Cap guys do not make independent policy. That way lies Zygmunt.
NOTHING in the Rams office structure gave EITHER Snead OR Demoff the power to thwart, change, halt, or resist a Fisher personnel decision.
If they didn;t like the decision they could hash it out with him and hope to influence him, but when he said sign X, the cap guys were supposed to get that done and come back to him and say "okay we have this much left."
Now if they exceeded their boundaries and intervened in this one, a problem like that is NOT going to go away with a new coach. It's the way Zygmunt ran things and has blown up before. It's a bad structure.
You have clear lines of command. It's either a super GM or president type---a suit---or it's a coach. You don't murk things up with dumb exceptions and end up losing a guy the coach says is your priority.
Again, name me any other examples of that happening. A "super coach" with final say like Reid or Carroll says "sign this guy" and the team undermines him?
Name examples.
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/27/2016 03:13PM by zn.
