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I know, I know . . . He's a rookie, and he has a Swiss Cheese line, no receivers,...c. But, if I'm just zooming in on Goff, and no one else, I'm just not seeing him play within any pattern that matches up with all of that, with his context.
Well as a rule, how many rookie qbs have you ever seen playing under those conditiosn who DID play well.
You want to know what a talented rookie qb looks like when there is no running game, the OL is playing poorly, and the receivers are mediocre?
Like Goff has.
Yet...somehow, you think that says something about Goff?
So again---how many rookie qbs have you seen with no running game, leaky protection, and mediocre receivers who DID look good according to your criteria?
In contrast to you, in the midst of the chaos, I CAN see the unique talents Goff brings to the game. It's there, in the middle of all the mayhem. It CAN be seen.
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I get what you're saying and to a large extent agree, but
to suggest that how Goff is playing has nothing to do with how good Goff is, is a tad out there.
And no one suggested that. What one suggested is that no rookie qb plays well under the conditions I named. Like, literally, none. So the real issue is to avoid thinking that a rookie who struggles under those conditions is showing you "who he is."
What to me is "out there" is trying to act like the conditions I described don't matter, don't count, and are not a huge part of it. That we are just seeing "Goff."
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Derek Carr played pretty well under similar conditions. Coach was fired in season, not much of a running game(1,240/4TD total), no receivers with even 700 yards...