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Re: Well, as you can probably guess...

November 14, 2016 09:13PM
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JamesJM
I disagree with most of that, if not all of it. But most vehemently this: It has nothing to do with being 'stupid'.. YOU may consider it that... I do not... it's simply being 'wrong'. That's no argument from me that he's wrong about Goff..we have no way to know that yet... but coaches are 'wrong', to that degree, all the time, every year, and every coach. There isn't coach in the league today, or yesterday, that did not release a player sometime during their tenure that didn't move on to do well. - JamesJM

It is really honestly the way I see it. I have never heard of an NFL coach who just flat didn't get when a qb was ready to start. Yes coaches are wrong but to me, it is impossible to be wrong about something that easy to determine. Can he call the plays, see the defenses, see blitzes, adjust to them pre-snap, call the protections, and execute in rhythm. You can tell things like that in practice. (This leaves out the fact that most qbs in NFL history have failed because in the end you do not know how someone is going to react to pressure until they're under pressure, but that's just a different discussion.) So is he making mistakes in practice, and so on. If they determine they're not cutting the offense back for him and that he has to know IT, they can tell if he knows and can execute IT at least at the level of making it through practice.

So when I use the "stupid" thing---that is, are we really imagining him being THAT stupid?--it's just a (to me) fun way of hyperbolizing for harmless effect a real argument. That argument being, it is just not real likely that an experienced coach would not be able to tell if a qb had met the minimal qualifications you need to start him.

Players are released and do well all the time, sure. (Though notice the record on that with the Fisher Rams...). But that is not the same thing as picking a qb high in the draft and not being able to tell he is prepared enough to play as a rookie. More often than not released players like that fall through the cracks. The minute you take a qb high in the draft, he is a special case who gets a ton of close scrutiny. He's not going to fall through the cracks. They're not going to overlook things in the numbers game leading to final cut-downs, or be trapped in a situation where you have to keep X and cut Y because X has been a special teams ace. And so on.

If a coach is going to be wrong about whether a qb can start, IMO, they're much more likely to overestimate him.








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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/14/2016 10:01PM by zn.
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  Can Jared Goff save the Rams' offense?

RamBill968November 14, 2016 04:28AM

  Maybe they can channel Goff's abilities into Keenum's body nm

BlueRidgeHorns428November 14, 2016 07:57AM

  At this point, and to me, It's Goff... but it's more than Goff...

JamesJM414November 14, 2016 08:04AM

  Be all you can be

Rams_81300November 14, 2016 08:04AM

  Re: Can Jared Goff save the Rams' offense?

Rams43289November 14, 2016 08:05AM

  Re: Can Jared Goff save the Rams' offense? What a donkey.

sfbayram309November 14, 2016 08:34AM

  Re: Can Jared Goff save the Rams' offense? What a donkey.

oldschoolramfan383November 14, 2016 09:04AM

  Winston, Mariotta, Prescott, Kessler, Wentz, T. Taylor, Bortles

droopy406November 14, 2016 01:21PM

  Easy answer

dodgerram265November 15, 2016 05:53AM

  Playing Jared Goff is not to save the Rams offense

GreatRamNTheSky434November 14, 2016 01:32PM

  Must say, Grits...I mostly agree with you...

JamesJM422November 14, 2016 02:04PM

  Re: But Fisher is making strawman argument

BumRap310November 14, 2016 05:41PM

  Re: But Fisher is making strawman argument

zn381November 14, 2016 05:59PM

  I give Fish a lot of leeway with the Defense

stlramz396November 14, 2016 06:48PM

  Re: I give Fish a lot of leeway with the Defense

Rampage2K-342November 14, 2016 06:58PM

  Re: I give Fish a lot of leeway with the Defense

zn270November 14, 2016 07:47PM

  Re: I give Fish a lot of leeway with the Defense

zn279November 14, 2016 07:44PM

  Well, as you can probably guess...

JamesJM286November 14, 2016 07:53PM

  Re: Well, as you can probably guess...

zn404November 14, 2016 09:13PM

  Re: Well, as you can probably guess...+1 nm

Razorback406November 15, 2016 07:49AM

  Agree!

Crazylegs388November 15, 2016 03:36AM

  Re: I give Fish a lot of leeway with the Defense

Rams43274November 15, 2016 03:39AM

  Re: But Fisher is making strawman argument

BobCarl363November 15, 2016 03:22PM

  Re: Can Jared Goff save the Rams' offense?

poplarbluffman374November 15, 2016 04:39AM