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Re: answer me this last question

October 30, 2016 01:31PM
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Deadpool
so I am absolutely clear on this.

If the Rams drafted 11 offensive players, and all 11 started and they were also the worst starter at their position according to whatever metric you want to use, you would consider them all hits?

Because to me that seems too low of a bar. Even for a team that has been as bad as the Rams for as long as they have been. but then again, I have been on record as saying any year that doesn't end in playoffs is a failure. Again, JMO. We disagree. That's fine.

Remember I said I divided the thing.

First, just so there's some kind of basic standard and not just opinion without any basis, it's necessary to ask what around the league counts as having a basic number of hits to be a good drafting team. In terms of hits, I count starters and significant role players who see some action (like Joyner, or like Hakim in 99). The point of that is to get some ground under our feet for discussion. If good teams, as I've found out, hit on 40%, then 40% is good---at this basic level. But that's not the same as qualitative judgments and player grades. That's a different step.

So I said above that qualitative grading is different. For example right now, in spite of being slow to develop and then slow to return from injury on top of it, Quick is contributing. Football Outsiders ranks him as the league's 22nd receiver. How do you grade that? It's probably really too soon to say on Havenstein and Brown. But they are starters. Donald was an instant ROY and is considered one of the best players in the league. How does that count? Austin contributes and last year had 900+ yards from scrimmage and 9 TDs. Was he worth trading up for, or is that just good production and you count it. Etc.

The grading part is important but trickier.

But before the grading conversation begins, IMO, you need some basic parameters. Getting 7.7% hits is just plain bad. Getting 36.8% hits is just simply not as bad as that. But then how GOOD is it? Different question.

Personally, when it comes to that, I am not prepared to write off the Rams offensive drafting until I know how I am going to grade Brown, Havenstein, Gurley, Mannion, Goff, Cooper, and Higbee down the road. I will say some of the earlier picks are more iffy (Quick, Robinson, Austin) and there are some busts in there before 2014 (Pead, Givens) plus some lost players (Bailey, Mason). So it has not been tops. However I would not call it terrible. The 2006-8 drafts were terrible on offense, and this is not like that. This is to me more like "so far has not been good enough but that could change."

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2016 01:33PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Les Snead

LARams171194October 28, 2016 08:09AM

  Because...

Ramsfsninmd523October 28, 2016 09:59AM

  the coach coaches (or not) and the snead acquires the talent.

PHDram419October 28, 2016 10:15AM

  Well....

Ramsfsninmd356October 28, 2016 10:35AM

  Re: Well....

PHDram501October 28, 2016 12:22PM

  The myth of Les the savior and the empty roster lives on

promomasterj404October 29, 2016 02:49PM

  You've gotta be kidding me!!!

RamUK396October 30, 2016 08:26AM

  Re: You've gotta be kidding me!!!

Rampage2K-642October 30, 2016 09:33AM

  Not a very good burn, all except for SJ are still playing

promomasterj324October 31, 2016 09:23AM

  17 percent

PHDram313October 31, 2016 10:07AM

  What percentage of current Rams will be playing 5 years from now

promomasterj279October 31, 2016 12:02PM

  Relative to all the picks he had...

jemach383October 29, 2016 03:34PM

  that's just demonstrably wrong

zn532October 29, 2016 03:59PM

  what is the definition of a hit? I have Snead at 30%

Deadpool497October 30, 2016 08:05AM

  Re: WoW that's just brutal...and right!!...NM...

laram511October 30, 2016 08:13AM

  Re: what is the definition of a hit? I have Snead at 30%

zn407October 30, 2016 08:23AM

  So Jemach might not be wrong on his assessment

Deadpool514October 30, 2016 09:41AM

  not really what I am saying

zn483October 30, 2016 10:11AM

  I don't need other teams hit rates to determine

Deadpool360October 30, 2016 10:32AM

  Re: I don't need other teams hit rates to determine

zn347October 30, 2016 11:03AM

  answer me this last question

Deadpool372October 30, 2016 11:20AM

  Re: answer me this last question

zn370October 30, 2016 01:31PM

  I agree with ZN

Rams_81330October 30, 2016 02:46PM

  thats cool, but those three are more like quick sand then a foundation

Deadpool377October 30, 2016 03:36PM

  Re: thats cool, but those three are more like quick sand then a foundation

zn323October 30, 2016 03:51PM

  Ram 81 mentioned foundation

Deadpool435October 30, 2016 04:02PM

  oh okay I misread

zn442October 30, 2016 04:15PM

  Re: I agree with ZN

poplarbluffman364November 01, 2016 02:40AM

  Re: Relative to all the picks he had...

David Deacon311November 01, 2016 01:39AM

  I also remember the days of 14-2

ferragamo79357October 30, 2016 11:08AM

  I tend agree...

jemach372October 29, 2016 03:30PM

  F&S made it possible to even HAVE all those picks in the 1st place....

SunTzu_vs_Camus439October 31, 2016 06:59AM

  Re: Les Snead

Rams43462October 28, 2016 10:06AM

  Re: Les Snead

LARams17419October 28, 2016 10:33AM

  Re: Les Snead

CraigMatson344October 29, 2016 04:18PM

  Re: Les Snead

73Ram346October 30, 2016 03:50AM

  Don't most GM's disappear during the season ?

IowaRam379October 29, 2016 04:21PM

  Re: Les Snead

BobCarl388October 30, 2016 06:30AM

  Re: Les Snead

poplarbluffman513October 31, 2016 10:47AM