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Re: what is the definition of a hit? I have Snead at 30%

October 30, 2016 08:23AM
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They (IMO, you cannot talk about Snead without Fisher) have had what I would call hits on defense, but the offensive side of the ball has been downright brutal.

2012- Brian Quick, I. Pead, Chris Givens, Rok Watkins, Daryl Richardson - IMO that's 0 for 5 hits

2013 - Tavon Austin, Stedman Bailey, Barrett Jones, Zac Stacy - IMO that's 0-4 hits

2014 - Greg Robinson, Tre Mason, Garrett Gilbert, Mitchell Van Dyk, Demetrius Rhaney - IMO 0-5 hits

2015 - Gurley, Rob Havenstein, Jamon Brown, Sean Mannion, Andrew Donnal, Bud Sasser, Cody Wichmann - Normally in my world you get 2 plus years before I deem someone a hit or a miss or a bust, right now I would say 2-7 hits (Gurley and Havenstein even though both are having subpar seasons, they where good last year)

Now, my definition of hit says Snead (and Fisher) is 2- 21 hits or 9.5% hit rate. That is not good.

Defensively, they are much higher 8-15 IMO, or 53%

Overall, throwing in GZ they are 11-37 hits not including 2016 draft or 29.7%, so according to your 40% benchamark, Snead is falling short.

I applied the same logic to every team I looked at to get a comparison.

I counted as a hit starters and significant role players such as nickel backs, together with any back-ups who did decently well (as Wichman did last year).

The teams I looked at were Green Bay, the Giants, and the Steelers. I did 2004-2008 on those teams so you could get a clear read.

It's not a grading system, it's a "basic percentages" system so that people who say goofy things like "they suck" have to look at realistic bottomlines. Grading is different--you evaluate quality then. I am only interested in basic hits at this point so that people get what percentages constitute good drafting.

If someone is lost due to off field issues I don't count them in the totals. That kind of thing is no reflection at all on the team's evaluations. Excluding 2016, cause it's way too soon, I look at 2012-15 and I count as hits

Brockers, Quick, Jenkins, Johnson, Zuerlein, Austin, Ogletree, McDonald, Robinson, Donald, Joyner, Alexander, Gaines, Gurley, Havenstein, Brown, and Wichman.

That's 17. Subtracting Bailey and Mason (off-the-field losses), they had 35 picks. That's 48.5%. Without getting into quality, which is a separate discussion.

Remember, when I did the Packers, Giants, and Steelers the criteria was the same.

For you to come up with a comparison, you have to set a standard and do other teams according to YOUR criteria. That is just looking at the Rams in isolation is meaningless. What are the basic hit percentages on good drafting teams.



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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/30/2016 08:25AM by zn.
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  Les Snead

LARams171193October 28, 2016 08:09AM

  Because...

Ramsfsninmd523October 28, 2016 09:59AM

  the coach coaches (or not) and the snead acquires the talent.

PHDram419October 28, 2016 10:15AM

  Well....

Ramsfsninmd355October 28, 2016 10:35AM

  Re: Well....

PHDram501October 28, 2016 12:22PM

  The myth of Les the savior and the empty roster lives on

promomasterj404October 29, 2016 02:49PM

  You've gotta be kidding me!!!

RamUK396October 30, 2016 08:26AM

  Re: You've gotta be kidding me!!!

Rampage2K-642October 30, 2016 09:33AM

  Not a very good burn, all except for SJ are still playing

promomasterj324October 31, 2016 09:23AM

  17 percent

PHDram313October 31, 2016 10:07AM

  What percentage of current Rams will be playing 5 years from now

promomasterj279October 31, 2016 12:02PM

  Relative to all the picks he had...

jemach382October 29, 2016 03:34PM

  that's just demonstrably wrong

zn532October 29, 2016 03:59PM

  what is the definition of a hit? I have Snead at 30%

Deadpool497October 30, 2016 08:05AM

  Re: WoW that's just brutal...and right!!...NM...

laram510October 30, 2016 08:13AM

  Re: what is the definition of a hit? I have Snead at 30%

zn406October 30, 2016 08:23AM

  So Jemach might not be wrong on his assessment

Deadpool514October 30, 2016 09:41AM

  not really what I am saying

zn483October 30, 2016 10:11AM

  I don't need other teams hit rates to determine

Deadpool359October 30, 2016 10:32AM

  Re: I don't need other teams hit rates to determine

zn346October 30, 2016 11:03AM

  answer me this last question

Deadpool372October 30, 2016 11:20AM

  Re: answer me this last question

zn370October 30, 2016 01:31PM

  I agree with ZN

Rams_81329October 30, 2016 02:46PM

  thats cool, but those three are more like quick sand then a foundation

Deadpool377October 30, 2016 03:36PM

  Re: thats cool, but those three are more like quick sand then a foundation

zn323October 30, 2016 03:51PM

  Ram 81 mentioned foundation

Deadpool435October 30, 2016 04:02PM

  oh okay I misread

zn441October 30, 2016 04:15PM

  Re: I agree with ZN

poplarbluffman362November 01, 2016 02:40AM

  Re: Relative to all the picks he had...

David Deacon311November 01, 2016 01:39AM

  I also remember the days of 14-2

ferragamo79357October 30, 2016 11:08AM

  I tend agree...

jemach372October 29, 2016 03:30PM

  F&S made it possible to even HAVE all those picks in the 1st place....

SunTzu_vs_Camus438October 31, 2016 06:59AM

  Re: Les Snead

Rams43461October 28, 2016 10:06AM

  Re: Les Snead

LARams17419October 28, 2016 10:33AM

  Re: Les Snead

CraigMatson343October 29, 2016 04:18PM

  Re: Les Snead

73Ram346October 30, 2016 03:50AM

  Don't most GM's disappear during the season ?

IowaRam379October 29, 2016 04:21PM

  Re: Les Snead

BobCarl388October 30, 2016 06:30AM

  Re: Les Snead

poplarbluffman513October 31, 2016 10:47AM