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history...DV was not forced to hire Martz

October 05, 2016 04:44AM
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PHDram
Who was on the verge of being fired for having a similarly archiac offense until he was forced to hire Martz?

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I have no dog in the present fight here (about the article above). But the forced to hire Martz line caught my eye. DV was not forced to hire Martz. This is the real story. Rhome, the Rams OC, was in trouble with DV as early as August of 98. At one point DV even took over the playcalling though he couldn't keep that up. The offense in 98 was not only slowed by Banks, it was slowed by the loss of Bruce and Hill. At the end of the season DV fired Rhome on his own--it was an entirely foregone conclusion. He then cut a deal with Shaw on 2 items--the Rams would bring in veteran competition for Banks, and DV would look for a coordinator outside the current staff. Shaw recommended Martz as an interview. DV interviewed him and Matt Cavanaugh. In the end DV said one of the main reasons he chose Martz over Cavanaugh was that because Martz knew the same system Rhome ran (Coryell), there would be less of a transition for the team. (Cavanaugh ran a WCO).

So he was not forced to hire Martz. That was his own choice. In terms of waking up the offense, no one at the point of Martz's hire knew how bold he was going to be. That was a revelation. Previously he had been Norv Turner's qb coach in Washington, and if anything what they seemed to be heading for was a version of that, which was a run-heavy type of Coryell offense. So no one would even know in advance that what Martz brought was something dynamic. He had never been a coordinator before. So it was not possible to know that in advance.

In terms of the Banks story, which I am just adding on because it ties in, the original idea was to hire a veteran to compete with Banks. Their first choice was Gannon but he turned them down. A logical second choice was Green because Martz knew him from Washington. However, Green's agent let it be known that unless he was signed as the starter (starter, period...no "competition" ) Trent would go elsewhere. That meant dumping Banks and DV made his choice (after talking to all his offensive coaches, including both Martz and Stiles, both of whom were interviewed about it later.) DV dumped Banks as we know. Green came in then Martz demanded that his guy, Justin, be the #2. DV wouldn't allow it and insisted that Warner was the #2. That story comes from Martz himself.

A lot of history there. A lot happened in a short time.

In terms of the article above, it's weird...I am not committing a dog to that fight but yeah something must have gone wrong with DV's relationship with the team and the owner, looks like. It's odd what he's doing in that article. I don't quite get it. It's not factual what he says and it smacks of misremembered history.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 10/05/2016 04:46AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Vermeil on Goff, Wentz, Bradford, and QB development...

Rams432202October 03, 2016 05:48PM

  Wow, pretty much confirms most of our concerns about QB coaching

promomasterj780October 04, 2016 01:13PM

  except that

PHDram872October 04, 2016 01:25PM

  Re: except that

~lyser748October 04, 2016 01:45PM

  Re: except that

govane447October 05, 2016 07:53AM

  Re: Vermeil on Goff, Wentz, Bradford, and QB development...

waterfield558October 04, 2016 02:20PM

  And what does that say to you? NM

PHDram527October 04, 2016 02:39PM

  Re: Vermeil on Goff, Wentz, Bradford, and QB development...

Speed_Kills520October 04, 2016 04:10PM

  good read speed!

Speed_Kills354February 22, 2017 07:22AM

  A lot of unproven assertions there by Coach Vermeil.

Saguaro615October 04, 2016 02:50PM

  Re: nice

leafnose343February 22, 2017 10:59AM

  I agree with DV on one thing, Goff has to run over them with a bus.

max668October 04, 2016 03:07PM

  Nope he has to prove he can "speak the language"

LesBaker577October 04, 2016 03:25PM

  Vermeil doesn't buy that, neither do I.

max514October 04, 2016 03:38PM

  Max.

Saguaro512October 04, 2016 04:08PM

  Re: Max.

max527October 04, 2016 05:06PM

  Re: I have no problem with this nm

Speed_Kills519October 04, 2016 05:07PM

  And yet

PHDram430October 04, 2016 06:38PM

  Re: Max.

no name436October 05, 2016 04:15AM

  Re: It can be argued

Speed_Kills467October 04, 2016 04:24PM

  Funny

PHDram444October 04, 2016 04:50PM

  Re: Funny

Rampage2K-506October 04, 2016 05:12PM

  Spagsvanie

RFIP465October 05, 2016 02:16AM

  Makes perfect sense and should be a red flag...

max555October 05, 2016 02:31AM

  Except they said that ain't gonna happen

LesBaker751October 04, 2016 05:04PM

  Having a good QB environment is not a shortcut.

max763October 05, 2016 02:04AM

  No it's different each time

LesBaker614October 05, 2016 02:33AM

  So now we've got Bill Walsh level coaching? Come on...

max429October 05, 2016 03:35AM

  You are willfully ignoring the point and the facts

LesBaker452October 05, 2016 03:38AM

  Last time...

max418October 05, 2016 03:49AM

  You mean the same vermeil

PHDram587October 05, 2016 04:18AM

  history...DV was not forced to hire Martz

zn507October 05, 2016 04:44AM

  Shaw recommended interviewing Martz

wv ram544October 05, 2016 05:04AM

  Re: Shaw recommended interviewing Martz

zn1041October 05, 2016 05:11AM

  but wait theres more

PHDram587October 05, 2016 05:53AM

  Re: but wait theres more

zn821October 05, 2016 06:20AM

  so in your own words

PHDram540October 05, 2016 06:39AM

  Re: so in your own words

zn544October 05, 2016 07:58AM

  Ike/Torry/Faulk/Az/Kurt vs Britt/Quick/Gurley/Case

wv ram472October 05, 2016 10:29AM

  Being Dead Last and expectations

Rams_81391October 06, 2016 10:35PM

  Re: You mean the same vermeil

max464October 05, 2016 06:27AM

  maybe youre right

PHDram355October 05, 2016 06:43AM

  Re: maybe youre right

max498October 05, 2016 06:49AM

  True

PHDram572October 05, 2016 07:29AM

  Re: True

max397October 05, 2016 07:55AM

  Ok, dare I say it?

Saguaro693October 05, 2016 08:54AM

  Maybe he has an issue with Fisher

LesBaker359October 05, 2016 01:41PM

  You believed Fisher when he drafted Goff

9er8er379February 21, 2017 06:32PM

  14 TDs 4 INTS. 90 + passer rating

JoeMad596October 04, 2016 09:20PM

  Re: 14 TDs 4 INTS. 90 + passer rating

six2stack468October 05, 2016 04:01AM

  Gotta love hind sight.

Ramgator477October 05, 2016 02:42AM

  gotta get some of those glasses

PHDram491October 05, 2016 06:05AM

  Yep! (nm)

Suh-weet!565October 05, 2016 07:03AM

  Here's a thought...

Rams43573October 05, 2016 07:15AM

  isnt that a bit premature?

PHDram521October 05, 2016 07:34AM

  Re: isnt that a bit premature?

Rams43431October 05, 2016 07:58AM

  the problem is

zn570October 05, 2016 08:08AM

  Re: the problem is

Rams43469October 05, 2016 09:25AM

  Re: the problem is

waterfield376October 07, 2016 07:12AM

  Re: isnt that a bit premature?

PHDram470October 05, 2016 08:20AM

  Re: isnt that a bit premature?

Rams43402October 05, 2016 09:30AM

  Re: isnt that a bit premature?

dzrams417October 05, 2016 10:44AM

  Re: isnt that a bit premature?

Rams43976October 05, 2016 11:08AM

  Re: isnt that a bit premature?

Rampage2K-400October 05, 2016 11:22AM

  absolutely not what he said 43...it's not even coachspeak, he flat did not say that

zn442October 05, 2016 11:39AM

  Re: absolutely not what he said 43...it's not even coachspeak, he flat did not say that

Rampage2K-377October 05, 2016 11:45AM

  Re: absolutely not what he said 43...it's not even coachspeak, he flat did not say that

zn424October 05, 2016 11:54AM

  Re: absolutely not what he said 43...it's not even coachspeak, he flat did not say that

Rampage2K-435October 05, 2016 12:02PM

  Re: absolutely not what he said 43...it's not even coachspeak, he flat did not say that

zn421October 05, 2016 12:07PM

  Re: absolutely not what he said 43...it's not even coachspeak, he flat did not say that

moklerman477October 05, 2016 09:32PM

  Wow, so much dogging on Vermeil and contortions to explain away his quotes

promomasterj426October 05, 2016 04:13PM

  So.

Saguaro662October 05, 2016 05:22PM

  an opinion from afar

LesBaker669October 05, 2016 05:31PM

  "he's on a farm! ??? (my favorite)". Yes, promo, a farm.

Saguaro1073October 06, 2016 05:42AM

  One of the greatest living coaches of the game

promomasterj564October 06, 2016 11:04AM

  It's not that it his opinion is "disqualified"...

Saguaro479October 06, 2016 12:19PM

  You're assuming he doesn't still talk to people in the league

promomasterj384October 06, 2016 01:33PM

  You don't know what I'm assuming.

Saguaro509October 06, 2016 02:17PM

  Fisher and Rams will get credit for developing any qb when they do it

promomasterj370October 06, 2016 04:32PM

  Now there I agree. Fisher still needs to prove it.

Saguaro477October 06, 2016 05:18PM

  Ha! Farmer puns not just for Farmers only....dot com.

promomasterj399October 07, 2016 09:48AM

  I made the mistake once....

JamesJM382October 07, 2016 09:55AM

  You should read the whole article

PHDram399October 06, 2016 04:21PM

  Boy, did Vermeil nail this one....

max476February 21, 2017 12:28PM

  Re: Did he? We won't know that for awhile yet...NM

laram594February 21, 2017 12:50PM

  We already know he was right about Fisher..NM

max491February 21, 2017 02:43PM

  He did not nail it on Wentz

LesBaker351February 21, 2017 04:56PM

  Tremendous Vermeil Article

Rams_81511February 21, 2017 05:22PM

  A goal seeking nailing

9er8er431February 21, 2017 06:53PM

  Experience is magnified though when unprepared

Rams_81346February 22, 2017 07:08AM