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Re: No I am clarifying the scope

September 30, 2016 09:59PM
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waterfield
I thought you were writing that if a person is addicted to something that by itself contains no addictive quality that cannot be an "addiction". (i.e. an addiction to key lime pie). My point is it doesn't matter if for whatever reason a person cannot rid himself of a habit that substantially impacts his life in a negative way he needs to be treated for the "addiction". So even assuming for argument that pot by itself is not addictive -if a person for whatever reason cannot stop consuming it notwithstanding his desire to do so and that is affecting his life then its important for that person to get treatment. I think we can agree on that-right?

I really think the term addiction is not helpful in this context and muddies the discussion. It is some kind of compulsion. And those kinds of compulsory behaviors do indeed exist. And yeah they do follow this pattern: for whatever reason a person cannot rid himself of a habit that substantially impacts his life in a negative way

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Activities such as gambling, eating, pornography viewing, and playing video games are particularly conducive to addiction because they provide the opportunity for immediate reward. The fast feedback that occurs in a gambling setting can quickly turn a pastime into a compulsive pursuit of reward, where one can't voluntarily disengage from the activity and harmful consequences occur-from losing large amounts of money to disruption of relationships.

BUT, notice, there is no evidence that the activity or substance in this case CAUSES the behavior. And look at the list I just provided (which is by no means complete): gambling, eating, pornography viewing, and playing video games. In each case MANY people do those things (and in the case of eating all do it). Yet only a few develop the compulsive habit version of doing those things.

This tells me that the compulsive behavior involved here has to do with the psychology of the individual.

THAT means that for THAT kind of individual, if it's not one thing it's another. They WILL get compulsively hooked on SOMETHING.

Therefore with marijuana, to me the far more likely version is not that smoking dope causes (the low percentage of) compulsive habits, it's the person who was prone to compulsive habits of one form or another who just happened to live out their compulsive habit forming tendencies with marijuana.

Therefore, there's no such thing as "psychological addiction to marijuana" with the drug as the cause. RATHER, there's people who are prone to compulsively habitual psychologies who HAPPEN to get hooked on...gambling OR eating OR marijuana.

It follows to me that it doesn't make any sense to talk about "psychological addiction to marijuana." It's more like "compulsive habit types who in this case just happened to live out that part of their psychology with marijuana as opposed to something else."

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/30/2016 10:00PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Dang! Dude Simply Can't Seem To Beat This

ramBRO1424September 29, 2016 02:35PM

  Re: Dang! Dude Simply Can't Seem To Beat This

waterfield437September 29, 2016 02:42PM

  Re: Dang! Dude Simply Can't Seem To Beat This

bigjimram21533September 29, 2016 02:45PM

  No he's just a loser

LesBaker464September 29, 2016 03:40PM

  he has a substance abuse issue

ferragamo79421September 29, 2016 06:01PM

  It's not "substance abuse" this is just weed

LesBaker409September 30, 2016 04:19AM

  Hold on. That is not what I've been reading or hearing.

RockRam456September 30, 2016 06:06AM

  THC isn't physically addicting, alcohol and nicotine are worse

LesBaker362September 30, 2016 07:10AM

  Re: It is stronger. But it's still not addictive.

Billy_T561October 01, 2016 11:00AM

  Re: It is stronger. But it's still not addictive.

waterfield321October 03, 2016 10:04AM

  lot of disorders are psychologically addictive

ferragamo79422October 03, 2016 10:58AM

  Re: lot of disorders are psychologically addictive

zn479October 03, 2016 03:30PM

  Re: It is stronger. But it's still not addictive...yes it is.

Rampage2K-475October 03, 2016 03:39PM

  This kind of thinking is WHY we have these problems

RockRam470September 30, 2016 06:00AM

  I don't get the point about illegality

waterfield395September 30, 2016 03:06PM

  Ugly, UGLY sentiment

Suh-weet!332September 30, 2016 04:09AM

  Re: agreed nm

Speed_Kills368September 30, 2016 06:13AM

  Re: Ugly, UGLY sentiment

RamJr393September 30, 2016 06:20AM

  No it isn't

LesBaker421September 30, 2016 10:55AM

  Good for you. Somebody needs to say it. (nm)

RockRam395September 30, 2016 06:07AM

  Come on man! Some people CAN'T stop!

Drew2839414September 30, 2016 06:25AM

  Fair enough. But it is an illegal activity to begin with!

RockRam452September 30, 2016 07:10AM

  Have you ever witnessed someone firsthand with an addiction?

Drew2839288September 30, 2016 07:31AM

  Weed isn't addicting though

LesBaker402September 30, 2016 07:12AM

  IT IS!!!

Drew2839402September 30, 2016 07:29AM

  Re: IT IS!!!

zn549September 30, 2016 08:02AM

  Lol ok

Drew2839387September 30, 2016 12:21PM

  Re: Lol ok

~lyser382September 30, 2016 01:50PM

  No, I've seen methamphetamine addiction in the flesh

Drew2839366October 03, 2016 08:41AM

  Re: Lol ok

zn434September 30, 2016 02:24PM

  BTW, you're limiting the scope

Drew2839342September 30, 2016 12:22PM

  No I am clarifying the scope

zn288September 30, 2016 02:58PM

  Re: No I am clarifying the scope

waterfield392September 30, 2016 06:37PM

  Re: No I am clarifying the scope

zn375September 30, 2016 06:45PM

  Re: No I am clarifying the scope

waterfield395September 30, 2016 09:39PM

  Re: No I am clarifying the scope

zn375September 30, 2016 09:59PM

  Re: No I am clarifying the scope

waterfield379October 01, 2016 09:41AM

  Re: No I am clarifying the scope

zn399October 01, 2016 09:59AM

  New England Journal of Medicine

waterfield339October 01, 2016 10:48AM

  Re: New England Journal of Medicine squared

zn379October 01, 2016 11:07AM

  Re: New England Journal of Medicine squared

waterfield384October 01, 2016 12:23PM

  that clears it up

zn448October 01, 2016 01:10PM

  Agreed!

Drew2839354October 03, 2016 08:51AM

  Re: No I am clarifying the scope

~lyser481October 01, 2016 02:35AM

  Well, our interpretations are too disparate, then

Drew2839334October 03, 2016 08:56AM

  I don't think you're following the discussion

zn529October 03, 2016 09:06AM

  Re: I don't think you're following the discussion

Drew2839408October 03, 2016 01:32PM

  Re: I don't think you're following the discussion

zn380October 03, 2016 03:27PM

  Not according to the people who got it legalized

LesBaker381September 30, 2016 08:06AM

  Re: Not according to the people who got it legalized

~lyser381September 30, 2016 10:57AM

  "can" do

Drew2839388September 30, 2016 12:28PM

  LOL. So is chocolate

Old Goat378September 30, 2016 12:50PM

  Re: Come on man! Some people CAN'T stop!

zn361September 30, 2016 08:01AM

  +1.....just what I know for a fact....

Arkansas Ram365September 30, 2016 05:19PM

  History......

Arkansas Ram360September 30, 2016 06:15PM

  But wait, there's more........

LesBaker408September 30, 2016 07:01AM

  Ok. Now I do feel sorry him.

RockRam458September 30, 2016 07:19AM

  Well the story may not be true

LesBaker499September 30, 2016 08:24AM

  Interesting study on the effect of cannibis on the developing brain

waterfield609September 30, 2016 02:53PM

  Re: I feel terrible for him.

DomerRam419October 01, 2016 07:16PM

  Re: I feel terrible for him.

zn321October 01, 2016 08:31PM

  agreed

ferragamo79268October 03, 2016 09:18AM

  Man, dudes. This non-Rams, off-field thread is seriously harshing my mellow. nm

Saguaro349October 02, 2016 06:50AM

  Sorry, dude.

Drew2839380October 03, 2016 09:01AM

  Sure. I was making a joke.

Saguaro376October 03, 2016 09:29AM

  I know you were.

Drew2839362October 03, 2016 01:37PM