Re: Why get rid of Keenum

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I don't think it's a matter of getting rid of him. I think they just ideally would like it if Mannion could become their #2. Depending on how long Keenum plays this season- and how well- plus what the QB market is in the spring he may or may not get interest elsewhere. Shaun Hill got 2 years/$6.5M from Minnesota after his year with the Rams. So who knows.

You want Keenum as the #2 because if he stays he signs a Shaun Hill contract (which basically is what he's getting now). Mannion in contrast would get more, and he;s not going to last past 2018. So if you keep Mannion you already have to be grooming his replacement. If you want to replace Mannion (because if he's any good he will not be staying with the Rams for the kind of money you would give Keenum) then you have to draft the guy next year.

Plus of the 2 going forward, as a #2, Keenum would have game experience and more years on him. A far better #2.

All this depends, as I predict, that Keenum settles down and comes through well enough to keep him. To me people right now are flipping out over the SF game, while I am seeing him as playing his 8th game coming up not his 3rd. (BTW I don't put the SF game on Keenum...at the stage it was the offense was not equipped to take back a lead when behind. That;s just being realistic. Given that I put the SF game on the defense.)

Assuming HE comes through, what Mannion is right now is insurance...until 2018...in case something happens to Goff.

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There are a couple of premises here which I believe are either faulty or shouldn’t be assumed. So I’m having problems with your conclusion.

Assumptions 1 and 2: Keenum signs a Shaun Hill type contract & Mannion would get more –

If Keenum settles down and comes through well enough to keep him, and if we accept that he’s a far better #2 than Mannion, and given his superior experience, it shouldn’t be assumed that he would sign a Hill contract or that Mannion would get more.

You actually just made the perfect argument for why Keenum would get more. I wouldn’t be surprised if Keenum got a Chase Daniel contract. In fact, I’m willing to bet that if Keenum does settle down and perform as well as he did last year, he will get quite a bit more than what he signed for this year.

Also, why would Mannion get more if you’re saying that Keenum is a far better #2?

Assumption #3: If you keep Mannion, you have to draft a replacement next year (2017) –

Mannion is under contract through the end of 2018. What’s to stop them from waiting until the 2018 draft to find a replacement? They won’t HAVE to draft a replacement in 2017.

Assumption #4: A Hill caliber #2 is better than a Daniels caliber backup -

Who’s to say that the Rams want to go with a cheap Hill caliber backup? I would think that they want to go with a younger QB who projects to be better long-term even if that does cost a bit more.

I did assume that the young possible starter (SM) would get more on the market than the older and obvious #2 type (CK),

CK would not get more in my estimation because he could never be anything BUT a #2.

I said CK would be a far better #2 type for the Rams because he has the experience (including coming off the bench), knows the system, and is a very smart "mentor" type for any #1. Mannion, in contrast, I was assuming would draw interest as a #1 (or at least as competition for a #1, like they did in Seattle with Flynn and Wilson). .

You draft a replacement in 2017 for a Mannion leaving after 2018 because you don't want a rookie or one year to replace him when you could have a more experienced 2-year. Plus of course IF they kept Mannion as the #2 they would need a #3 anyway...unless they signed a #2-type vet, who will not want to be a #3, or you pick up someone's castoff, in which case why not just draft a guy.

So if you're going to go with a cheap Hill type, since that's Keenum's range anyway, why not just keep Keenum. Who yes I assume would get Hill-type money on the market. And again, if you sign a new vet #2 type why would he want to be a #3 behind Mannion? Moreover, if you let CK go, why would you want Mannion as a #3 when he already knows the offense and put him behind a newcomer who doesn't?

I thought it through, believe me.


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