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You have it almost exactly wrong

September 12, 2016 09:42PM
I typed it up pretty quickly, so obviously I wasn't very clear.

My argument was:

Proposition 1. Donald, a real talent, performs admirably even when the Rams as a whole do not. (as have other players)
Proposition 2. Donald performed well below his ability tonight. (as did other players)
Proposition 3. This game was a complete mess, worse in every phase than any game in recent memory. (though Vikings 2014 comes to mind.)

Those are my axioms. I hope I won't get too much pushback.

Conclusion: No player's value can be judged on the basis of this game alone.

Or, reductio ad absurdum: If we use this evidence to conclude that Austin is bad, we can also use it to conclude that Donald is bad. I don't agree with that conclusion, yet. I need to see more. After all, our buddy Austin DID score 10 TD's last year which I'm sure you haven't forgotten, and all that.

All that said, Austin really did look awful and useless. But so would a high-quality powerdrill, if you're trying to use it as a hammer.

Bottom line: Fisher's teams are getting worse, not better. Ugh.

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9er8er
How do we know Donald is a real talent?

Because he's performed like one even in the midst of what you're calling systemic failure. He didn't play well tonight, but even the best players have bad days or go through bad stretches.

It's not hard at all to tease out real talent over time. The Rams run real NFL offensive and defensive systems. Not necessarily the systems I would choose, but they are systems good players have played well in for years and years in the NFL. The Rams are anything but innovative, especially on offense, so this is all standard NFL playbook stuff. The overall talent simply isn't what people thought Snisher had created. The QB position, WR position, TE position, OL unit is weak. The LB and DB units are weak. That would be true no matter what system you put them in. Better coaching would help, but wouldn't turn them into something they're not.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  I owe all the "negative" types an apology:

merlin987September 12, 2016 08:53PM

  I know it's going to be a rallying cry now...

JamesJM463September 12, 2016 08:56PM

  It's on Fish regardless tbh

merlin386September 12, 2016 08:57PM

  No argument from me. (nm)

JamesJM270September 12, 2016 08:59PM

  It's impossible to sort it out, Jimmy. Impossible.

ArizonaRamFan461September 12, 2016 09:07PM

  That's a very good point. (nm)

JamesJM265September 12, 2016 09:08PM

  Re: It's impossible to sort it out, Jimmy. Impossible.

Ram1380304September 12, 2016 09:14PM

  haha hey, glad to hear it

ArizonaRamFan458September 12, 2016 09:21PM

  Re: haha hey, glad to hear it

Ram1380373September 12, 2016 09:33PM

  Taylor laughing at Landon planting the American flag?

JYB292September 13, 2016 03:33AM

  You actually disproved your own thesis

9er8er269September 12, 2016 09:29PM

  You have it almost exactly wrong

ArizonaRamFan401September 12, 2016 09:42PM

  Okay, on this game alone

9er8er240September 13, 2016 02:35AM

  Re: You actually disproved your own thesis

Ram1380364September 12, 2016 09:54PM

  Re: Ray Ray Armstrong.

Billy_T300September 13, 2016 05:33AM

  Re: I owe all the "negative" types an apology:

Rams43441September 12, 2016 09:02PM

  Re: I saw a team that could go 0-16

BumRap494September 12, 2016 09:14PM

  Nah.. Hekker did not play well.

SUretHing324September 12, 2016 09:23PM

  There were others

Blue and Gold267September 12, 2016 09:28PM

  Re: I owe all the "negative" types an apology:

reggae302September 12, 2016 09:19PM

  Which players, in your estimation, played up to their salary?

ArizonaRamFan323September 12, 2016 09:25PM

  Barron

SUretHing395September 12, 2016 09:29PM

  Re: Which players, in your estimation, played up to their salary?

Rampage2K-331September 12, 2016 09:31PM

  Re: That would have meant more..

laram372September 13, 2016 02:32AM

  Re: That would have meant more..

73Ram322September 13, 2016 02:57AM

  Re: Good post..

BlackSheep273September 13, 2016 03:25AM

  AMEN...LA..

PaulButcher59276September 13, 2016 03:59AM

  Fair enough, how about this

merlin281September 13, 2016 05:23AM

  Re: I owe all the "negative" types an apology:

tomatosan272September 13, 2016 05:31AM