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Re: Appreciating the value of actual "analysis"

September 01, 2016 06:56AM
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9er8er
Things that are “proven” don’t generally require analysis. They just require simple observation, i.e. empiricism.

In this case, analysis is about inferences drawn from evidence, not “certainties.” So, while it may be impossible to say with certainty, it’s not remotely impossible to say with credibility what the evidence suggests, or at least that for which there is no evidence to support. There aren’t “too many variables” to make reasonable inferences. There are merely some variables that make proof difficult or impossible. I choose to follow the evidence and you clearly are making a different choice.

Regarding your choice, I don’t accept your premise that all we can do is sit here and throw up our hands in hopeless futility whenever complexities exist that cloud the view and say, we can’t know anything! How can we draw an inference that Aaron Rodgers is a better QB than Case Keenum? There are too many variables! They don’t even share a uniform in common, let alone teammates! It is impossible! Of course, you’ve demonstrably failed at that argument because you have clearly seen fit to arrive at the conclusion that my analysis “fails”, which inescapably means you’ve determined a failure with some certainty without actual proof, right? RIGHT? You’ve obliviously exploded your own argument.

The data is rational and objective. It says with certainty that there is little to no evidence to support the theory that either Gurley or Austin or the combination of the two actually improved the offense in 2015 over 2014. The Rams scored fewer TD’s in 2015 than they did in 2014, they scored fewer total points, they gained fewer total yards and they gained fewer yards per play. In virtually every aggregate measure the offense was worse in 2015 than it was in 2014 despite Gurley’s and Austin’s efforts.

There is evidence they did help a component of the offense last season. They helped to improve output in the running game in both volume and average per carry over the previous season. Could this “improvement” in running the ball be attributable to a variable of improved offensive line play instead? A better scheme, perhaps? They can’t be ruled out as factors since we have no reliable way to measure, though I suspect you’d prefer to credit Austin and Gurley rather than other variables anyway. And in this case a deferral to your wishes works out since it is consistent with the evidence.

Where does it leave us? They ran the ball more frequently and more effectively with Gurley and Austin in 2015 and there were impacts to overall offensive production in the process. The evidence suggests the passing game was impacted negatively, which resulted in a net decline in total offensive output. I would argue the data suggests they should resist the temptation to double down in that direction merely because Austin scored more TD’s last year, but you appear to defend the decision based only on the rather meaningless isolated fact that Austin scored more TD’s last year. You might end up right, but it will be by luck rather than design.

As for the second point, absence of a serious injury to date doesn’t dismiss the existence of the risk. The risk isn’t realized until it is. That’s how it works. It could reasonably be argued that he’s managed to defy the odds thus far, which means a reckoning is becoming ever more likely if they don’t change course on the risky behavior. And, I hate to pull the ol’ evidence card on you again, but I charted his rushing yards and average per rush, throwing out the lowest and highest outliers. It showed a trend line that remained perfectly horizontal for his average rushing yards per game and it showed a decline for yards per attempt over the course of the season. Those combined trends indicates increased chances and diminishing results. It’s mostly nominal, so not strong evidence. But it is something to suggest defenses were or are adjusting, which is better than the wish and the prayer you’re relying on that they’re not. And what cost did defenses pay for adjusting you ask? Well, the trusty charts show no meaningful sacrifice. Trend line for points per game for the season was also negative as was yards per game and passing yards per game, Trend line for 1st downs per game was flat and rushing yards per game was the only slightly positive trend.


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dzrams
Having an explosive weapon that scores 9 TDs, and one that defenses worry about and spend time scheming to stop, is by definition greatly helpful to an offense.

That’s a wonderful warm and fuzzy theory to hold onto while you simultaneously claim it’s all too complex to really say in any useful way. Unfortunately in Austin’s case there is no evidence that actually lends it validity, but there is a fair amount of evidence that suggests it’s little more than wishful thinking.

This isn't a treatise in quantum physics, just trying to figure out if Austin is an ascendant player or not.

Where is the "actual" analysis, and data that is rational and objective about Austin's injury risk*? Show the data that points to 180 lb. WRs being more likely to get hurt (or suffer worse injuries) than one that is 200 lbs. or 220 lbs.

What you are doing, in the technical parlance, is called guessing and a hatchet job. Gussying up the language in pseudo-scientific jargon doesn't make it any less of a guess.

* Ideally without a 10,000 word dissertation on semiotics/hermeneutics to make the simple point about why one guess being more "scientific" isn't a delusion.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/01/2016 06:59AM by Kind of Blue/Gold.
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  How do Austin's 10 TDs rank among skill positions?

Kind of Blue/Gold1018August 29, 2016 10:44AM

  on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

SunTzu_vs_Camus408August 29, 2016 03:33PM

  I don't think his contract needs justifying IMO

zn412August 29, 2016 06:00PM

  Re: I don't think his contract needs justifying IMO

BeachBoy399August 29, 2016 06:13PM

  Groh's influence

LMU93465August 30, 2016 05:02AM

  I agree

Atlantic Ram411August 30, 2016 05:28AM

  I think Austin's touches decrease, yards increase

LMU93396August 30, 2016 05:58AM

  Re: on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

reggae438August 29, 2016 06:58PM

  Re: on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

zn368August 29, 2016 07:04PM

  Re: on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

reggae379August 29, 2016 07:09PM

  If you factor in that Gurley didn't have Austin's 8.3 Y/A average

Kind of Blue/Gold439August 31, 2016 08:04AM

  Bingo...

jemach330August 31, 2016 06:57AM

  So, Ted Ginn Jr, right?

9er8er463August 30, 2016 07:45PM

  Re: So, Ted Ginn Jr, right?

TonyHunter87398August 30, 2016 08:06PM

  You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

Kind of Blue/Gold544August 31, 2016 08:50AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

TonyHunter87402August 31, 2016 10:13AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

Kind of Blue/Gold324August 31, 2016 11:03AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

TonyHunter87344August 31, 2016 11:07AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

Kind of Blue/Gold393August 31, 2016 12:32PM

  He is the Rams 2nd best offensive player

Rams_81360August 31, 2016 02:11AM

  Re: So, Ted Ginn Jr, right?

dzrams363August 31, 2016 07:47AM

  Appreciating the value of actual "analysis"

9er8er375August 31, 2016 05:43PM

  Re: Appreciating the value of actual "analysis"

dzrams377August 31, 2016 07:03PM

  The conclusion is irrefutable

9er8er282September 01, 2016 03:02AM

  By this rationale, the conclusion is irrefutable that Gurley didn't help the offense

Kind of Blue/Gold583September 01, 2016 06:40AM

  Re: Appreciating the value of actual "analysis"

Kind of Blue/Gold244September 01, 2016 06:56AM

  Ginn didn't have 10 TDs until his ninth season at age 30

Kind of Blue/Gold393August 31, 2016 08:47AM

  and with Cam Newton

Atlantic Ram521August 31, 2016 09:00AM

  Re: Ginn didn't have 10 TDs until his ninth season at age 30

9er8er317August 31, 2016 05:48PM

  Re: Ginn didn't have 10 TDs until his ninth season at age 30

Kind of Blue/Gold277September 01, 2016 06:27AM

  Re: How do Austin's 10 TDs rank among skill positions? Attachments

Blue and Gold398August 31, 2016 06:50AM

  How much will top tier WRs be making in 2018? 2019? 2020? 2021? N/M

Kind of Blue/Gold358August 31, 2016 07:38AM

  How is "top tier WRs" relevant in this discussion?

9er8er372August 31, 2016 05:51PM

  The announced pay today

Kind of Blue/Gold232September 01, 2016 06:30AM

  Re: The announced pay today

Rampage2K-259September 01, 2016 08:57AM