So don't draft him if they can't offer a standard contract

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This is not at all about the amount of money: it stays the same regardless.
It is strictly about how it gets paid out.

There is no argument over the amount of salary, bonus, or even the amount guaranteed.
This is strictly about the way the SB is paid out and if the player is cut or traded if he gets to double dip on guaranteed money.

The idea of his agents that guaranteed means guaranteed is right. In an offset the player still gets 100% of his guaranteed money. It is only that some might come from a different team.

Whose greed is it that the player wants to be able to get MORE than the guaranteed amount if he can't cut the mustard and gets let go?

I find this entire thing absurd, just as Chargers management says. The player wants the Chargers to completely change the way they do business for this one player.....a DE (who will really play OL.

And BTW: despite what Mom says, there was never a public hint prior to the draft that Bosa didn't want to play for the Bolts, nor that he told the Bolts that. It is only now that he's throwing a tantrum that we hear this sort of thing.

Chargers need to let him swing. They need to not even attempt to negotiate. Let Bosa come to them. It's the Golden Rule: they have the gold.....and he wants some.

Yes, it hurts when your high 1st rounder abandons ship. But it'll hurt the player a lot more if he refuses to sign this year and goes back into the draft. It is hard to imagine he'd be even top 10. Who'd want to take the chance? And an entire year away from football and organized team activity? Entirely different than for a player who is injured and rehabbing. The injured player continues to learn the playbook, watches film, bonds with the team, is on a team program, etc.

Very foolish young man who has miscalculated his leverage.

Trade the pick away.

Why give the team the benefit of the doubt if they are the only ones that do business this way?

I don't get the fixation on position (and I think Bosa is going to play 3-4 DE, not OLB, BTW, which is why some are questioning whether he is miscast in that scheme, I'm not so sure he can't excel, he is 6'5", 280 lbs.), I guess Elway and Eli Manning were able to dictate terms. But Bo Jackson famously didn't sign with TB. He (like Elway) had MLB as leverage. But he HATED TB (if you know the back story, he thought they tricked him into becoming ineligible for college baseball in hopes of forcing his hand, and it is safe to say the strategy COMPLETELY backfired on TB, they got zippo for a #1 overall pick, maybe the only time that has happened since the merger?). Maybe it cost him some money (OAK/Al Davis shrewdly drafted Bo in the 7th of the following draft for his future rights), not sure how the Raiders compensated him, but he took a stand on principle. Not saying they are comparable situations, but it has happened if a player views the team drafting him as too toxic and dysfunctional.

Why is it not a tantrum when SD demonizes Bosa in public, with transparently self-serving statements designed to confuse the issue, like - we offered the #3 pick more than any other first round pick since 2011 (when the highest was #11, so, well, yeah! ).

He probably will sign, and this will be a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing.

Why does it hurt the player a lot more? If he loses money, it is just him. If they can't come to an agreement, in the eyes of many SD fans, it will make the organization look like complete boneheads (for being so rigid and inflexible on routine matters no other teams are) at least as much as they may view Bosa as greedy. It will indisputably hurt the team in that they will be without the services of the #3 overall pick. And that impacts on hundreds of thousands of (if not more) fans. So who is really hurting who more?

Who would want to take the chance? I don't know, maybe any of the 31 other teams that don't have such a bizarro way of doing business. Flip this premise around. What does SD do, if the player they covet in 2017 is represented by Condon. You think THEY might think twice about drafting him. And than do they intentionally draft the player they don't like as much, due to their own stubbornness and cussedness? Isn't that shooting themselves in the foot?

As far as taking a year off, another DE did (involuntarily). Robert Quinn, and he turned out OK. He ended up being drafted #14 (who knows where he might have gone if he had been a red shirt soph who was allowed to turn pro immediately after that season, OR how Bosa may fare if he re-enters the 2017 draft). A happy player might be a better player in the long run. It isn't just about the first contract.

I find it absurd many are taking SDs side when they are a NOTORIOUSLY cheap franchise. Foolish owner if he has overplayed his hand, and needlessly turned a potential star player into an enemy. Can you imagine how we would feel if Goff, Gurley or Donald had went back into the next draft because Kroenke was so stubborn. It would be torches and pitchforks outside of Frankenstein Castle time!

[campbelllawobserver.com]

"Even though the CBA structured rookie contracts in order to reduce negotiation issues, there have been two terms that have been highly contentious: offset language and deferred bonus compensation."

"NFL contracts can seem quite lucrative when they are reported by the media, but the truth is that the contracts only guarantee a fraction of the money reported, while the remaining money must be earned through performance."

"If a contract does not contain offset language, when a rookie is cut, he is entitled to the remaining sum of money under his contract in addition to whatever money he may receive under a contract with a new team."

"Deferred compensation is not a new contract tactic. Teams like to utilize deferred compensation in structuring deals with players because it helps teams be flexible, accommodate other player’s contracts, and maneuver within the confines of the salary cap."

"The General Manager (GM) of the Chargers, Tom Telesco, has refused to change the Charger’s position due to the team’s precedent of only signing players under favorable terms. Since Telesco has been GM, offset language and structuring bonuses have been included in each contract in favor of the team.

The San Diego Chargers are notorious for being stingy negotiators. Since 2000, the Chargers have struggled with signing players prior to training camp and have experienced holdouts with players such as Philip Rivers, LaDanian Tomlinson, Quentin Jammer, and Shawn Merriman."

"Bosa wants either no offset language, or his bonus to be paid during the 2016 season instead of deferred until next year."

"Bosa’s terms are not unreasonable either. The other top-five picks from the 2016 draft class have had unique contracts whereby the players either received their bonuses up front, or with no offset language. The number one overall draft pick, Jared Goff, has no offset language, but is deferring his bonus. On the other hand, second overall pick, Carson Wentz, does have offset language in his contract, yet only a small percentage of his bonus is deferred until next year."



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